Doing Bootlegs...

AMG asked about a BK tune a while back and Farley said he should ask permission to do a bootleg/rmx (cant remember what exactly AMG wanted to do to be fair to Farley).

IMO - doing a booty shouldnt require the original artists permission as its not an official remix and it wont go on sale...

reason i ask is i wanna remix london lets 'av yer and drop the dime but i hardly wanna bother JB & Dom about it

i'll post the tracks for free on here, besides hard house is dead and the hoover is stale so nobody should give a shit anyway

why not?

if anything i think its promoting the original

not really, imo it's promoting your bootleg and you - i wouldn't be overly chuffed if someone bootlegged one of my tunes and posted their free version on the net. not that that's likely to ever happen haha.

just my opinion mate.

you can tell who are the producers and who are the dj's in this thread lol.

and by the way, ur talking about a mashup not a bootleg.

no he's not, he's talking about doing 2 separate bootlegs, one of london lets av yer (od404 remix) and one of drop the dime

ah i see, when he said the two i thought he meant slap them together on ejay

to be fair mate its a different track - u could say the same for a remix then couldnt u.

the tracks in particular are well old and subsequently generate zero revenue for the labels involved at present so for that specific reason i think it would be OK?

also i'm not arguing mate (just to be clear hehe) just trying to play devils advocate a bit to cover all the angles

so for this case where the tracks are really old - still ask permission?

top tune b boy one is my fav

lol that's not quite the case

A bootleg nowadays IMO is a full (5min+) remix passed around at 192kbps+.

If you want to make it so bad then just make it. If you want to play it in your DJ sets then do it. The problem is when you decide to pass it to a friend or post it online for feedback.

If you play a cover live then you are ok. If you record your own version of a cover and distribute it on a webforum without the original artist's permission then you're looking for trouble (or if it's a REALLY good remix, publicity)

I'm not sure about the ethics ofr doing it and then putting it up for free download (although I see the reasoning) but the original artist may lose out on sales if someone just thinks they will have the free version(all depends how good it is I guess - but a lot of old stuff is now up for MP3 sale and a booty may harm those sales however small they may be).

I think if you as a dj do it for yourself and maybe give it to a few of your mates to play I really don't see the harm. Courtesy says you should give the original artist a copy if they are still about - whether the like it or not is another matter lol.

But then look at PAS - Higher, Riggsy & Farrell's - Kick It and so on...  All got officially released off the back of some booty action.

A lot of people moan about booties but everyone hasn't been around in the scene since day dot in hard house  so the tunes just sound fresh to them anyway. For those that have been around some will hate and some will love fresh interpretations on tunes. I guess its all about moderation.

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I think people should still make bootlegs as they can be really good but just dont stick it in peoples faces by sticking them up 4 free download. Asking the original artist would be the best thing to do but lets face it your gonna do it with or without the concent of the original artist.

you didn't do too badly with the old booties did you Tom. wasn't that C series release your first wax?

Rudi - i can't see why it would be a big issue in a scene that relies on recycled sounds, permission or not.

guess it's still polite to ask though

looks like i'll just do it and use it in some mix's and maybe pass it on to a few mates who might want it

really not gonna bother the artists for permission on an 8year old track

Fuckin hell I can't believe how many people are being so uptight in this thread about a couple of bootlegs....that might actually turn out to be shithot tracks.

It would be a different story if Rudi would have just done them anyway then posted them for feedback and turned out to be be mint tracks, or even better than the other versions!

A lot of top producers off this board have made booties in their time and got away with it.

In a scene this small you'd have thought a couple of booties of really old tracks wouldn't do any harm at all really.

IMO do the booties, keep them yourself but send the original artists etc a copy (Dom/Oz/Mark etc) you never know what might come of it if it is good....

As a man thats done two bootlegs I'm with both Mr Maddox and Dave on this one. Fine to do them, great to put them in your sets, I'd even say fine to put them on mixes. But putting them up for free isn't fair I'd say.

I like my remix of Dreamer, someone might hear it and then go and purchase the original because mine's not available, which is great! If mine were freely available (not saying bigging it up or anything like saying its great etc) they then may not bother to purchase the original, which isn't fair on the original artists.

I also like the one about sending the original artists the bootleg. I've tried that with both of mine but didn't get anywhere. Might try again with one of mine actually.

thanks for ur views guys

reckon i'll send the original artists & mates copies

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thanks for ur views guys

 

reckon i'll send the original artists & mates copies

Remember, im ur friend Rudi

"AHHH, FWIEND"

thats why i wanted to give it away for free on here cos i see the BT lark as my choodren - i wanna give u the oppertunities i never had