Getting "the professionals" in to do a job!

 
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3 months ago
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discostu333 Pic5168 Posts
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When I was 15 we had a plumber round to fix a leaky radiator in my bedroom. When I got home from school my imported copy of Final Fantasy 8 on the Playstation 1 had been pinched from my room!!!!! Wasn't even out in the UK til 5 months later so the plumber had pinched it.

 

3 months ago
ANON E MOUSE
anon e mouse Pic3921 Posts
EnglandRedditch
Music Style NRG, Schranz, Dark Psy, Classical
Fuck getting people in to do stuff, i always try and do things myself. Anything you don't know, you can find out via google.

My next project i'm working on/saving for is to build a conservatory to move the dining table into. Move the kitchen to where the dining room is, build a new wall and doorway, fit in a complete new kitchen, tiling, flooring, units, plumbing etc. Where the kitchen is now i'm going to wall part off to build a downstairs toilet and the other half will be a study/office.

The only thing i will get someone in to do is the gas piping as i think it'd be wise to get someone in whos corgi registered. Also may get someone in to dig up the patio and lay the flooring and wall for the conservatory, but debating whether to have a crack at that myself. I reckon i can do all of the above for £5-6K if i do it myself but if i got people in to do it all it would cost at least 4 times that, plus i wouldn't trust them to do a good job.

Post edited by owner 17/07/2008 20:21:08
3 months ago
Jon
logic7heaven Pic2444 Posts
United Kingdom
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Fuck getting people in to do stuff, i always try and do things myself. Anything you don't know, you can find out via google.

My next project i'm working on/saving for is to build a conservatory to move the dining table into. Move the kitchen to where the dining room is, build a new wall and doorway, fit in a complete new kitchen, tiling, flooring, units, plumbing etc. Where the kitchen is now i'm going to wall part off to build a downstairs toilet and the other half will be a study/office.

The only thing i will get someone in to do is the gas piping as i think it'd be wise to get someone in whos corgi registered. Also may get someone in to dig up the patio and lay the flooring and wall for the conservatory, but debating whether to have a crack at that myself. I reckon i can do all of the above for £5-6K if i do it myself but if i got people in to do it all it would cost at least 4 times that, plus i wouldn't trust them to do a good job.


i would say you could easy do all of that. but its not legal to touch anything to do with gas so wouldn't recommend that.

any way even if you do need to get somebody else in, tell them that you will supply materials and all they would need to do is supply labour. a lot of builders will charge 30% on materials & "SPECIALIST FIXINGS" when infact you could get them yourself loads cheaper.

its the same with painters, lets face it if you can piss you can paint (its that easy) but why the fuck people get painters in and pay £150-£200 a day for them is beyond me. you'll end up doing a nicer job as well
3 months ago
ANON E MOUSE
anon e mouse Pic3921 Posts
EnglandRedditch
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Yeah exactly, plus i can probably claim the vat back through the businessthumbsup

Would it piss you off though if someone supplied all the stuff, would you charge more labour to make up for it?
3 months ago
Jon
logic7heaven Pic2444 Posts
United Kingdom
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oh and i once worked for a guy who charge a couple with 4 kids £1000 a day for just the labour to repair a roof and the couple agreed because they couldn't get anyone else to do it at that time. i lasted until lunch time before i had walked off the job after having an argument with him about it
3 months ago
Jon
logic7heaven Pic2444 Posts
United Kingdom
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Yeah exactly, plus i can probably claim the vat back through the businessthumbsup

Would it piss you off though if someone supplied all the stuff, would you charge more labour to make up for it?


no i prefer people to supply the stuff. then when i put in a charge they are normally well over the moon
3 months ago
ANON E MOUSE
anon e mouse Pic3921 Posts
EnglandRedditch
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What sort of price would you charge to lay the concrete floor for a conservatory and build the 600mm wall?
3 months ago
Jon
logic7heaven Pic2444 Posts
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What sort of price would you charge to lay the concrete floor for a conservatory and build the 600mm wall?


i'm not a brick layer but at a guess i would say if the builder turned up with hime self and a lad you should expect to pay between £200- £250 a day a would say it should take no more that 3-4 days max
3 months ago
ANON E MOUSE
anon e mouse Pic3921 Posts
EnglandRedditch
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Nice one thumbsup Think i'll give it a go myself, found a good guide on what you need to do for the flooring. Never laid bricks before though but my mate is pretty good.
3 months ago
Jon
logic7heaven Pic2444 Posts
United Kingdom
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What sort of price would you charge to lay the concrete floor for a conservatory and build the 600mm wall?


i'm not a brick layer but at a guess i would say if the builder turned up with hime self and a lad you should expect to pay between £200- £250 a day a would say it should take no more that 3-4 days max


i would recommend doing it yourself though mate, i'm sure you would only waste £20 worth of bricks and a bag of sand before you got the hang of it.

as for the floor rent a mixer and google it to find out what you need to know
3 months ago
Jon
logic7heaven Pic2444 Posts
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Nice one thumbsup Think i'll give it a go myself, found a good guide on what you need to do for the flooring. Never laid bricks before though but my mate is pretty good.


are you laying tiles on the floor?
3 months ago
ANON E MOUSE
anon e mouse Pic3921 Posts
EnglandRedditch
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Yeah i will be, found out all the info about the depth you need to dig, damp course etc. Why do you ask about tiling?
3 months ago
Tom Urwin
dodja Pic7632 Posts
United KingdomNorwich
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Nothing happened to me but I remember when my school was going through massive refurbishment- building new science and art blocks and a new canteen.

They built everything and it all looked fantastic however realised you could only fit a small amount of people in the canteen.

Turns out they'd missed '0' off the measurements and built it half the size it was meant to be!! Can't believe the retards only noticed once they'd built the entire thing!!


doesnt that mean it would be a tenth of the size it was meant to be? looking
3 months ago
Jon
logic7heaven Pic2444 Posts
United Kingdom
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Yeah i will be, found out all the info about the depth you need to dig, damp course etc. Why do you ask about tiling?


because if your laying tiles i would recommend going over the concert with a self leveling floor screed to get a better finish. also that way you'll have a better start point for your tiles and it will make your life a lot easier when it come to laying the tiles
3 months ago
Laughing Gas
venom Pic14223 Posts
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ideathumbsup

What sort of price would you charge to lay the concrete floor for a conservatory and build the 600mm wall?


i'm not a brick layer but at a guess i would say if the builder turned up with hime self and a lad you should expect to pay between £200- £250 a day a would say it should take no more that 3-4 days max


i would recommend doing it yourself though mate, i'm sure you would only waste £20 worth of bricks and a bag of sand before you got the hang of it.

as for the floor rent a mixer and google it to find out what you need to know


Is that how all calcs are done ( just so no other fuckers tries to pull a fast one ) ?
3 months ago
Jon
logic7heaven Pic2444 Posts
United Kingdom
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Nothing happened to me but I remember when my school was going through massive refurbishment- building new science and art blocks and a new canteen.


They built everything and it all looked fantastic however realised you could only fit a small amount of people in the canteen.


Turns out they'd missed '0' off the measurements and built it half the size it was meant to be!! Can't believe the retards only noticed once they'd built the entire thing!!




the problem with this sort of thing is most of the builders will be sub-contracted to a bigger company, the company would have had any plans draw up and the builder would just follow them. 90% of the time with that sorta thing its the twats in the office that have input the info wrong on the drawings, but when they go on site they will always blame the builder to the client.

also a lot of the big companies have a contracts manager that never goes on site even though you'll be paying for him to be there to double check all these sort of thing's
3 months ago
Muttley
newmuttley Pic12326 Posts
Great BritainDudley
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If a jobs worth doing, do it yourself!
i agree, unless you know someone that you can trust to do the job properly. And you can never trust anyone 100% i suppose
3 months ago
Muttley
newmuttley Pic12326 Posts
Great BritainDudley
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you're bloody right there jon, we manufacture the purlins in portal framed buildings, and when anything goes wrong, its always that the steel isincorrect, nine times out of ten the draftsman has detailed it incorectly
3 months ago
Downunder
downunder Pic6989 Posts
New Zealandchristchurch
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yawn yawn yawn I love people moaning about builders.thumbsup Because its always their own fault generally by trying to get it on the cheap. Not always but more pften than not.

Only five percent of any building problems happen at the chalk face. 95% can be directly attributed to the stupidity and lack practical knowledge of people like achitects and engineers or clients not knowing what they actually want.thumbsup

If its wrong, or missed of the plans, dont expect to get it for free thumbsup if its takes more time and materials as a result, then expect to get charged. thumbsup HEAPS munted 

Good and cheap just dont go together anymore than a new merc can be bought for the same price as an old skoda. munted 

Trades people aint there to do favors just because you have a shity old  house which will cost a fortune to fix, expect to pay for it thumbsup munted

If a builder comes to look at the job, he should allow for the time it takes to look at it and price it in the quote. Its called "the consumer pays" its a business afterall.thumbsup thumbsup

If your looking for a cheap price then you,ll most always get a dodgy builder or trademan who will take short cuts thumbsup

The only reason people give cheap prices is because they know they are useless and it will be a rough job, or they dont have enough work, the reasons being that they are useless anyway and word has got around so no repeat business thumbsup

No one wants to fix up someone else's shit work, especially when the homeowner has "had a go at it, and fucked it up eyesup expect to pay heaps  to put it right thumbsup 

The smaller the job, the higher the cost, so expect to pay for, travelling time, lunch time, sitting around having a fag time, phoneing up your mates, time, and snooping round your house time. laughing thumbsup

Always best to get someone from a firm that employs trade people as staff. May cost a bit more but the results are generally much better. thumbsup thumbsup

thumbsup Dont be a tight bastard, eyesup get your hand in ya pocket. munted munted

 

 

 

3 months ago
Muttley
newmuttley Pic12326 Posts
Great BritainDudley
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well put Nev, you sound like my old man on one of his rant's. He's always going on aboutr people who have had a go and cocked it up entirely
3 months ago
John Geary
johngeary Pic5928 Posts
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What about the builder who charge a fortune, ripping people off and then are cowboys then.  Paying through the nose doesn't guarantee quality
3 months ago
Jon
logic7heaven Pic2444 Posts
United Kingdom
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ideathumbsup

What sort of price would you charge to lay the concrete floor for a conservatory and build the 600mm wall?
i'm not a brick layer but at a guess i would say if the builder turned up with hime self and a lad you should expect to pay between £200- £250 a day a would say it should take no more that 3-4 days max
i would recommend doing it yourself though mate, i'm sure you would only waste £20 worth of bricks and a bag of sand before you got the hang of it.

as for the floor rent a mixer and google it to find out what you need to know
Is that how all calcs are done ( just so no other fuckers tries to pull a fast one ) ?


most builders/fixers/fitters work on the same principles.

big jobs where they supply they will add anything from 15-35% on materials, labour is charged as a daily rate they may also add fuel cost's & accommodation if they have had to stay in a hotel (even though they will stay in the cheapest travel lodge) and you'll be charged time and half for the time the job takes if they are staying away from home. plus 10% on the total for mistakes

on jobs where they don't supply then they should only charge labour + fuel costs maybe 10% incase of delays on material and down time (you can't expect them to loss money)

hope that gives you a rough idea
3 months ago
Downunder
downunder Pic6989 Posts
New Zealandchristchurch
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What about the builder who charge a fortune, ripping people off and then are cowboys then.  Paying through the nose doesn't guarantee quality


 Then in general its the customers fault for not doing their home work, checking previous work done , references etc.

Usually it goes with trying to get a cheap pricethumbsup

 

I will say though that there are bastards around who scam old ladies and such but its no different to any other industry. There,s good and bad thumbsup


Post edited by owner 17/07/2008 10:42:27 p.m.
3 months ago
M® Pi©kle
mrpickle Pic6669 Posts
United KingdomManchester
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I got the decorators in once....

 

 

 

 

 After my sex change..  looking

3 months ago
Entropy
Entropy Pic834 Posts
AustraliaMelbourne
Music Style techno
If you want the job done right, then pay the right price and you'll get the right people.

It always shits me when a client comes to me and says how much will it cost to do X, and I say it'll be about $300k if you want to do it properly. Then they start going well how much if we don't do that, and we'll take out that, and we won't bother with that, and wonder why the whole thing fucks up because only half of the design is there. Then I get in the shit because things don't quite work properly.
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