Getting "the professionals" in to do a job!

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  And if your working with an Architect having priced the plans by tender.  the Architect fucks it up as they inevitably do, the client dos'nt check the plans thouroughly, it goes out for tender and the lowest price gets it  then the stupid client wonders why he's not getting half the things he wanted.  

Because its not on the plans you stupid git   Then things that are totally nessesary become extra work and the client has to pay for them and thinks the builders should have allowed for them in the first place

Sorry, but your a fucking idiot Mr and Mrs client, no one allows for anything thats not on the plans in a competetive tender otherwise one would'nt get the contract because tenders go to the lowest price.  So it has to be done anyway because the architect missed it on the plans and spec.  then the builder charges the client "extras"  and the client thinks he's a cunt and goes whinging to the architect who questions the price the builders charges because he's embarrased because he "the architect" fucked it up in the first place. So then the builder gets his QS to qualify his prices, and the stupid architect believes the Qs because  he sees the QS as a "profesional". But in reality the builders has told the QS what price he has to justify to the client.  

Sometimes  the fuck ups by the designer or achitect are so extreme, that the end price is double or more than the original tendered price and the client has to find the money   

had a couple of those in my time when i was building, one went from a tendered price of 260k to a final price of over 600k.  And anpther from 800k to well over 1.5 million. We got paid and i advised the client to take whatever he could from the architects fees because he's made so many fuck ups.

Its all a game really.  One in which you get what you pay for same as anything else.

Besides. what may look expensive today in doing up or building a house or whatever looks like peanuts ten years down the track  

 

No no no no... Just because someone has done  good job once doing something it doesn't mean they're going to be brilliant again. It's not the same job mate so you can't guarantee that. He might have problems with your job, measurments wrong, finds a sewer, finds extra pipes , more shit needs moving etc etc..

I've seen people that do good jobs do really shit ones to. Works both ways.
The Builder is the professional not the customer. We rely on them for good advise, not supplying new tyres for his Ferrari.

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yes yes yes mate.    It does mean that a contractor or builder who has a reputation for doing good work, generally means that they do good work. They/he have built their reputation on just that. Thats why top architects select top builders to work with, because the quality of the build reflects back on the architect. Shit architects also get top builers to tender their work, and it turns to shit. back to the planning stage.

I saw heaps of builders go broke in the time i ran my building company, and inevitably they traded under names like " right price builders"  or shit like "perfect construction"  and such and generally they built shit quality. Dangerous name that one as building is'nt an "exact science".

Builders and contractors dont get paid to do bad work, they end up with bad debts instead.

Additional things that need doing that ar,nt forseen at the beginning should'nt reflect on the quality of the job at all  They merely increase the price to the client. Maybe a case of a lack of ecpertise on the builders part or the architects part or whomever determines the scope and scale of the work. Hence 95 of problems experienced in a building contract originate at the planning stage.  So its a case of using professionals. Problem is, that most people are either too  mean to spend the money or too tight fisted to part with it to do it properly. Then they moan like fuck when it turns to shit and bites them in the arse

So if its a simple fix this job, then get a local handyman in. But handyman work, aint building, its no where near it.

But this is where my job comes in. As a project manager we lock in the expectations in black and white, and me make sure we get what we want, otherwise the supplier doesn't get his last 10% payment.

This is why your everyday tradesmen hate working with engineers. We make it easy, yet difficult, at the same time.