Have a go heroes: Get involved or not ?

 
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2 months ago
Laughing Gas
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you are allowed to use "reasonable force" and false imprisonment/kidnap convictions can be avoided simply by sitting on the person and stopping them struggling until the police arrive. it is then up to the CPS to decide if there is enough of a case against the person performing citizens arrest to take them to court, aswell as vice versa. they're not just going to take one persons word for it over the others idea

that's why charges are often made - it doesn't mean that will result in a conviction


The idea of a citizens arrest is that YOU don't get arrested or  have to go through the motions.
2 months ago
Fat Spanner
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Yes, bring back the stocks in town centres. Some chav steals some kids bike or robs and house, put him in the stocks for the townfolk to spit at him and throw rotten eggs in his face.
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2 months ago
WRAW
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Yes, bring back the stocks in town centres. Some chav steals some kids bike or robs and house, put him in the stocks for the townfolk to spit at him and throw rotten eggs in his face.

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2 months ago
ANON E MOUSE
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It all depends on the circumstances though, obviously you'd be done if you saw someone dropping litter then, tackled them to the ground and broke their arm in an arm bar laughing Whereas if someone was threatening you with a knife or choking you, you'd be perfectly within the law to use deadly force thumbsup
2 months ago
UNKNOWNUSER
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had a guy try to perform a citizens arrest on me when i was about 14 ,he got a shock when i head butted him and my brother twated him over the back off the head with a bottle of irn bru "glass bottle",,he did'nt seem like much of a hero lying there with a bloody nose and gashed head covered in blood and irn bru ,,DONT GET INVOLVED your only gonna get fucked up violent


I always look forward to your anecdotes Del. No matter what the situation you always seem to have been there and done that in some crazy manner laughing

I was thinking that. laughing laughing laughing

I wouldn't dare try to do a citizens arrest, even if you do manage it you can quite easily be done by the some other offence.thumbsdown
wot can i say i'v done alot of crazy shit over the years ,if i could get a copy of my criminal record i'd post it up so u could judge for yourself if i'm being honest about my antics ...........

 

carefull Del, you're starting to sound a bit Stevie 505 here ... You're leeking Hardness like a Bitch on heat with no panty pads....


if i was that hard it would'nt have taken 2 of us to make the cunt to let go of me ,,thinking back i should'a just started shouting peado i'm sure he woulda let go quick smartthumbsup
2 months ago
Mike
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had a guy try to perform a citizens arrest on me when i was about 14 ,he got a shock when i head butted him and my brother twated him over the back off the head with a bottle of irn bru "glass bottle",,he did'nt seem like much of a hero lying there with a bloody nose and gashed head covered in blood and irn bru ,,DONT GET INVOLVED your only gonna get fucked up violent


I always look forward to your anecdotes Del. No matter what the situation you always seem to have been there and done that in some crazy manner laughing

I was thinking that. laughing laughing laughing

I wouldn't dare try to do a citizens arrest, even if you do manage it you can quite easily be done by the some other offence.thumbsdown
wot can i say i'v done alot of crazy shit over the years ,if i could get a copy of my criminal record i'd post it up so u could judge for yourself if i'm being honest about my antics ...........

 

carefull Del, you're starting to sound a bit Stevie 505 here ... You're leeking Hardness like a Bitch on heat with no panty pads....


if i was that hard it would'nt have taken 2 of us to make the cunt to let go of me ,,thinking back i should'a just started shouting peado i'm sure he woulda let go quick smartthumbsup

OMG I just realised you're from scotland too ...  eeek
2 months ago
UNKNOWNUSER
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had a guy try to perform a citizens arrest on me when i was about 14 ,he got a shock when i head butted him and my brother twated him over the back off the head with a bottle of irn bru "glass bottle",,he did'nt seem like much of a hero lying there with a bloody nose and gashed head covered in blood and irn bru ,,DONT GET INVOLVED your only gonna get fucked up violent


I always look forward to your anecdotes Del. No matter what the situation you always seem to have been there and done that in some crazy manner laughing

I was thinking that. laughing laughing laughing

I wouldn't dare try to do a citizens arrest, even if you do manage it you can quite easily be done by the some other offence.thumbsdown
wot can i say i'v done alot of crazy shit over the years ,if i could get a copy of my criminal record i'd post it up so u could judge for yourself if i'm being honest about my antics ...........

 

carefull Del, you're starting to sound a bit Stevie 505 here ... You're leeking Hardness like a Bitch on heat with no panty pads....


if i was that hard it would'nt have taken 2 of us to make the cunt to let go of me ,,thinking back i should'a just started shouting peado i'm sure he woulda let go quick smartthumbsup

OMG I just realised you're from scotland too ...  eeek
wtf has that got to do with anything uhoh
2 months ago
Fat Boy Passion
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YEAH! stocks FTW, if he was there day and night i know for a fact if i was on a night oot i would have a proper stinking piss on his stock, mabey even curl one out infront of him so he had to smell my dirty shit day and night.

2 months ago
CUSTER GANNET
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you are allowed to use "reasonable force" and false imprisonment/kidnap convictions can be avoided simply by sitting on the person and stopping them struggling until the police arrive. it is then up to the CPS to decide if there is enough of a case against the person performing citizens arrest to take them to court, aswell as vice versa. they're not just going to take one persons word for it over the others idea

that's why charges are often made - it doesn't mean that will result in a conviction


The idea of a citizens arrest is that YOU don't get arrested or  have to go through the motions.

 

[edit] England and Wales

A citizen's arrest (officially called an "any person arrest") is permitted to be made on any person under section 24A of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (as amended by the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005) for an indictable offence (in this section referred to simply as "an offence"). This includes either way offences. It is thus permissible for any person to arrest:

  • Anyone who is without doubt in the act of committing an offence, or whom the arrestor has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be in the act of committing an offence
  • Where an offence has been committed without doubt.., anyone who is without doubt guilty of that offence or whom the arrestor has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be guilty of it

In order for the arrest to be lawful, the following two conditions must also be satisfied:

  • It is not reasonably practicable for a constable to make the arrest instead
  • The arrestor has reasonable grounds for believing that the arrest is necessary to prevent one of the following:
    • The person causing physical injury to himself or others
    • The person suffering physical injury
    • The person causing loss of or damage to property
    • The person absconding before a constable can assume responsibility for him

Use of the second power above is rather risky, since it relies upon the person carrying out the arrest knowing that an indictable or either way offence has been committed. If, for example, the arrested person is later acquitted in court then it could be concluded that no offence has been committed; thus the arrest would be unlawful. The Act therefore gives a constable three additional powers, to arrest:

  • Anyone who is (without doubt) about to commit an offence, or whom the constable has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be about to commit an offence
  • Anyone whom the constable has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be guilty of an offence which is merely suspected to have taken place

A constable's arrest power is not limited to indictable offences, and conditions different from the above apply.

In addition to the above, a private person may be authorised to execute an arrest warrant, if the court issuing the warrant has given them the authority to do so, and any person may arrest someone who is "unlawfully at large" (for example, an escaped prisoner).

 

 

As you see, it's not without risk of charges being brought against the arrestor

2 months ago
Laughing Gas
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had a guy try to perform a citizens arrest on me when i was about 14 ,he got a shock when i head butted him and my brother twated him over the back off the head with a bottle of irn bru "glass bottle",,he did'nt seem like much of a hero lying there with a bloody nose and gashed head covered in blood and irn bru ,,DONT GET INVOLVED your only gonna get fucked up violent


I always look forward to your anecdotes Del. No matter what the situation you always seem to have been there and done that in some crazy manner laughing

I was thinking that. laughing laughing laughing

I wouldn't dare try to do a citizens arrest, even if you do manage it you can quite easily be done by the some other offence.thumbsdown
wot can i say i'v done alot of crazy shit over the years ,if i could get a copy of my criminal record i'd post it up so u could judge for yourself if i'm being honest about my antics ...........

 

carefull Del, you're starting to sound a bit Stevie 505 here ... You're leeking Hardness like a Bitch on heat with no panty pads....


if i was that hard it would'nt have taken 2 of us to make the cunt to let go of me ,,thinking back i should'a just started shouting peado i'm sure he woulda let go quick smartthumbsup

 

Good idea for anyone in a spot of trouble, just shout "paedo" or say "That man tried to touch me", and they'll be questioned for hours, their background examined by the police, and have the whole neighbhood looking at them forever more. Cruel but funny.laughing 

2 months ago
Laughing Gas
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you are allowed to use "reasonable force" and false imprisonment/kidnap convictions can be avoided simply by sitting on the person and stopping them struggling until the police arrive. it is then up to the CPS to decide if there is enough of a case against the person performing citizens arrest to take them to court, aswell as vice versa. they're not just going to take one persons word for it over the others idea

that's why charges are often made - it doesn't mean that will result in a conviction


The idea of a citizens arrest is that YOU don't get arrested or  have to go through the motions.

 

[edit] England and Wales

A citizen's arrest (officially called an "any person arrest") is permitted to be made on any person under section 24A of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (as amended by the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005) for an indictable offence (in this section referred to simply as "an offence"). This includes either way offences. It is thus permissible for any person to arrest:

  • Anyone who is without doubt in the act of committing an offence, or whom the arrestor has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be in the act of committing an offence
  • Where an offence has been committed without doubt.., anyone who is without doubt guilty of that offence or whom the arrestor has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be guilty of it

In order for the arrest to be lawful, the following two conditions must also be satisfied:

  • It is not reasonably practicable for a constable to make the arrest instead
  • The arrestor has reasonable grounds for believing that the arrest is necessary to prevent one of the following:
    • The person causing physical injury to himself or others
    • The person suffering physical injury
    • The person causing loss of or damage to property
    • The person absconding before a constable can assume responsibility for him

Use of the second power above is rather risky, since it relies upon the person carrying out the arrest knowing that an indictable or either way offence has been committed. If, for example, the arrested person is later acquitted in court then it could be concluded that no offence has been committed; thus the arrest would be unlawful. The Act therefore gives a constable three additional powers, to arrest:

  • Anyone who is (without doubt) about to commit an offence, or whom the constable has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be about to commit an offence
  • Anyone whom the constable has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be guilty of an offence which is merely suspected to have taken place

A constable's arrest power is not limited to indictable offences, and conditions different from the above apply.

In addition to the above, a private person may be authorised to execute an arrest warrant, if the court issuing the warrant has given them the authority to do so, and any person may arrest someone who is "unlawfully at large" (for example, an escaped prisoner).

 

 

As you see, it's not without risk of charges being brought against the arrestor

 

 

Doesn't matter what is written down in law, if the CPS say you're guilty of a botch citizens arrest then you are.

 If the person shouts out  he's a muslim then you've got even more trouble on your hands.


Post edited by owner 30/09/2008 14:15:19
2 months ago
John Geary
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It's just not worth doing and is one of the reasons society is fucked.  Someone breaks into your house/car, or someone elses, or starts attacking someone and you have to think of the consequences to your own safety and whether you may get done for getting involved.  If someone is committing an offence their rights need to go out of the window, especially if they have broken into someone elses house/car etc angry
2 months ago
Mike
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had a guy try to perform a citizens arrest on me when i was about 14 ,he got a shock when i head butted him and my brother twated him over the back off the head with a bottle of irn bru "glass bottle",,he did'nt seem like much of a hero lying there with a bloody nose and gashed head covered in blood and irn bru ,,DONT GET INVOLVED your only gonna get fucked up violent


I always look forward to your anecdotes Del. No matter what the situation you always seem to have been there and done that in some crazy manner laughing

I was thinking that. laughing laughing laughing

I wouldn't dare try to do a citizens arrest, even if you do manage it you can quite easily be done by the some other offence.thumbsdown
wot can i say i'v done alot of crazy shit over the years ,if i could get a copy of my criminal record i'd post it up so u could judge for yourself if i'm being honest about my antics ...........

 

carefull Del, you're starting to sound a bit Stevie 505 here ... You're leeking Hardness like a Bitch on heat with no panty pads....


if i was that hard it would'nt have taken 2 of us to make the cunt to let go of me ,,thinking back i should'a just started shouting peado i'm sure he woulda let go quick smartthumbsup

OMG I just realised you're from scotland too ...  eeek
wtf has that got to do with anything uhoh

Only .... EVERYTHING laughing
2 months ago
Dave Owens
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you are allowed to use "reasonable force" and false imprisonment/kidnap convictions can be avoided simply by sitting on the person and stopping them struggling until the police arrive. it is then up to the CPS to decide if there is enough of a case against the person performing citizens arrest to take them to court, aswell as vice versa. they're not just going to take one persons word for it over the others idea

that's why charges are often made - it doesn't mean that will result in a conviction

Reasonable force thumbsup

How do you post videos directly into the threads? I'm sure this has already been asked a hundred times dunce
yawn The boot to the head at 0:12.

"Reasonable force."
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