Pioneer DJM2000...

Out. Of. Hand

exactly, you can be creative with any genre however I havent seen hard house/nrg dj mix it up for a while now. If they do they usually start their mix with 2 tunes layered over each other and thats about it. Then its back to that "Ill just wait for  that little break in this tune, then ill let the next one go. Then ill slowly turn bass knob on this tune down and on the other one up and move my crossfader half way across. Then ill wait for the next little break and bang, move my crossfader all the way across. Then ill do a little dance and be all proud of my accomplishment." business.

Rodi style and ben stevens chaos tour prove everything wrong you've just said in that post. Typical Tom and Zanos bumming each other off 

Knowing Pioneer, they'll just switch the $ sign for a £ instead of actually bothering with any pesky currency conversions...

err, hold the fuck off, it wasnt me thanks?

looks stupid, over complicated & over priced. What ever happened to just playing music, for fuck sake.

it seems like the future is all about enhancing the music. thats a bummer..

because mixing the end of two tunes together is boring as fuck when you do it all the time, and totally uninspiring... and even so, Sasha and co used to play 3 and 4 records all at once years ago... its hardly a new thing.

Why not just make new music

it might be cool when u edit the old tracks, but when i go out clubbing i realy dont want tracks to be fucked with

Did I even said anything about no one i mean no one doing it? FFS learn to not read what you think but whats written..

why not do both?

cock strokers too. but we dont see that out in plublic

isnt it hardhouse that came from the gay scene? :P

You are referring to stroking each others cocks.

sluuuuurp

i have no idea what you are talking about?

looks real nice

I'm going to need some sort of translation before I respond

That is one awesome mixer for sure, I would love to have one at home but would need to re-mortgage my house to get any of the new Pioneer stuff

it looks nice, but it think it might be a bit OTT, but as i havent used it its hard to say. the djm 800 is perfect for me. i use the effects loads and it sounds great, i dont think i need anything more atm, but never say never........

It does look wicked, and I for one would try and use most of the features.

This elitist bollocks about techno needing somekind of more skill is shameful. I have mixed both from the outset (since bout 10-15 yrs ago) and they both require skill, Just in different ways. Tis lush when you have 3 techno tracks going and your just fucking with the EQ and levels to make new sounds or even just to use a certain percussion loop from a track. However, tis also rather yum when you bring a bassline in, with the synth still going from the other track. (ala Hard House) That doesn't just happen, has to be planned and made sure the keys fit etc...

Plus with some techno you can get away with being sloppy. With hard house, the moment it's out, everyone knows. There is also the fact the music is slower so you have more time to fuck about.

Is it so impossible to give the other genre's credit? Shit, I don't like Enya. Not about to go on her forum (if she has one) and say it's all wank cos I like something 10 bpm slower.

Unlike Gaz, I do prefer the trickery and whatnot, if you dont move with the times n all that.....

Just my 2 penneths

P.S. Did just buy a DJM800 about 2 months ago tho

way way prefer good track selection ova crazy fx... some guys need to stop touching the fucking mixer and let a good track play!!

Without a doubt mate. Once someone gets to grips with the FX, they tend to ruin everything with a delay or filter! Or even worse it sounding like a fucking drill every 2 seconds

Just think that they can be utilised quite well without disrupting the flow of the set. That's where the skill comes in imo. Most of the DJ's round here just cut the shit out of everything then stick a flange on it! Tis easy doing all the flashy shit but to make it sound good is a whole other ball game.