Hardhouse is crap lately

Back in april there was great tunes been released, real olskool stuff, now there is fook all been released, and the small amount there is been released is crap. And people wonder why the scene is crap. Back years ago hardhouse was plain and simple with great sounds, melodies and arrangment, today thats gone out the window its all random hard crap, producers want the production sounding better than the way its arranged and programmed. With the amount of hardhouse thats been engineered for tom, dick and harry, it all sounds the same because of the small amount of engineers producing for the large amount of so called producers.

He signed up to give us this pearl of wisdom, marvelous. 

There has been a lul for a couple of months or so with the amount of tracks coming out that I have been picking up but that happens every year for the last few years around the summer.  I have noticed in the last couple of weeks it starting to pick up again though.

you could go straight to to being a hard house producer (use one of those engineers that make all the tracks sound the same, with no atmosphere)...

*edit- was meant to Quote Venkman's post above...

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Eeeekkk, I have drift on some but that's more due to the pressing and most are OK. Probably need a new stylus before I start up again I recon

That has been my other excuse not to do it as well

Do you use another computer for the ripping as well? Not sure if this one would cope under the strain.

Nah it's this one but this was intended for music related stuff and I have a profile with flip all else running on it.  I go through every record and they are organised roughly by release year and the real plus about doing it is finding stuff that has been forgotten about.  The ball ache is the time it takes to do it, then clean up and then re-do certain ones if they need it and then burn off, label etc. 

Crap, I think I have just extended my break from ripping with those thoughts

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Eeeekkk, I have drift on some but that's more due to the pressing and most are OK. Probably need a new stylus before I start up again I recon

That has been my other excuse not to do it as well

Do you use another computer for the ripping as well? Not sure if this one would cope under the strain.

I had a spare pc in the lounge, and just kept changing the records while watching tv, eating, generally walking about the house etc...

I was able to do a fair bit while working from home in my old job without it disturbing what work I needed to get done.  Don't have that option these days and could do with someone to come here and do it for the love of repetitive tasks

I've been thinking of maybe going to Student Job Search (do they have that over there) and hiring a student to come over and rip my vinyls for minimum wage.

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Eeeekkk, I have drift on some but that's more due to the pressing and most are OK. Probably need a new stylus before I start up again I recon

That has been my other excuse not to do it as well

Do you use another computer for the ripping as well? Not sure if this one would cope under the strain.

I had a spare pc in the lounge, and just kept changing the records while watching tv, eating, generally walking about the house etc...

I was able to do a fair bit while working from home in my old job without it disturbing what work I needed to get done.  Don't have that option these days and could do with someone to come here and do it for the love of repetitive tasks

 

I've been thinking of maybe going to Student Job Search (do they have that over there) and hiring a student to come over and rip my vinyls for minimum wage.

hey then you could sell all your mp3's for 50c and make the investment back, then send your student here so I can do the same   

just kidding. really. I've got some new stylus ready to do the same, big tedious job tho...might have to be very selective, do all the "could never replace" ones first...

I used to spend over £100 a week in Choci's, Trax & Kokonto Zi in Soho.

I was a great feeling going into those shops & having a bag of the latest promos & releases in a bag with your name on it waiting under the counter.

I can still remember the excitment having a white label of Tinrib 11 & 12 months before they came out.

There was so much choice back then though.

The distribution van used to drive round all the shops on a friday afternoon with crate loads of new stuff. Every week!!!

Good days indeed. gone, but not forgotten.

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What I used to love more than anything else was going to Choci's tunes and the Tripoli trax store and being given a massive pile of vinyl to listen to and walking out with £50-60 worth of new tunes. You felt like you'd accomplished something and were walking off with the queens jewels. Those were the days.

oh yes Spinn Inn in Manchester was my haunt, used to get about 20 records and want to pick maybe 5 out of them, id hear them and come out with all 20.

the only thing that bothers me with Hard House is sometimes you hear tunes that are so immaculate production wise, that it loses its purpose, which is to make people dance on the dance floor, i cant explain it better than that, but it doesnt justify what im trying to get accross

i.e. tunes that are made to sound good in a studio rather than do a purpose of getting people going nuts on a dancefloor.

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What I used to love more than anything else was going to Choci's tunes and the Tripoli trax store and being given a massive pile of vinyl to listen to and walking out with £50-60 worth of new tunes. You felt like you'd accomplished something and were walking off with the queens jewels. Those were the days.

oh yes Spinn Inn in Manchester was my haunt, used to get about 20 records and want to pick maybe 5 out of them, id hear them and come out with all 20.

 

the only thing that bothers me with Hard House is sometimes you hear tunes that are so immaculate production wise, that it loses its purpose, which is to make people dance on the dance floor, i cant explain it better than that, but it doesnt justify what im trying to get accross

 

i.e. tunes that are made to sound good in a studio rather than do a purpose of getting people going nuts on a dancefloor.

I used to get my stuff from the Spinn Inn, spend most of my wage in that place while I was at college.

Sure Alex Kidd used to work in there didnt he Gaz?

The truth is, shit tunes have always been produced, but the technology and price to release them back in the day was alot more difficult and expensive. Now 'Tom, dick and harry' can set up their own label in 10 minutes and release dog shit.

However, great tunes are still being produced in all genres. You just have to wade through the shit to find them matey.

Theres loads wicked tracks out at the moment that would of held its own, and if vinyl was still the weapon of choice, they would still make it...

curtis - Chunk not Funk, Parr + Leon B - Cheeky Mother, Fernio - Hoover maneuver, theres shitloads that are vinyl worthy geezer! 

Switch on. Az

Wind, rain or shine (and after many a heavy night) every saturday morning me and mates used to drive down to Archway... grab a fry up in the cafe round the corner as they did they best ones, then spend a couple of hours in Pure Groove going through all the tunes. DJ Lick worked there then and used to let me have the Tripoli releases a week before they were due to be released.

This was then followed by a trip into central London for Bangingtunes, XSF, before either going home or going straight to Camden Palace for a night out  Great times indeed

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yeah i agree.. havent heard any real good hardhouse tunes for a good while... some of the new is okay, but its hard without the house. And it lacks the atmosphere.

I agree with you on that mate.

Having listened to some mixes over the last few months, I have to agree.  Not enough variety, just bang bang bang for 60mins

Where are the multi-genre mixes?  I want chunky hard house, then some hard trance with some banging NRG at the end!  Whatever happened to progression?

 

Agree. I tend to go for the older stuff that is put up these days. Nick's acid trance thread in DJ mixes, is a good one indeed.

I downloaded a mix the other day from a very well respected producer on this board and was utterly shocked at the tunes on it; the second track was just noise, no melody or discernable bassline; just a flat, tinny kick and random weird noises   Every track sounded the same/very similar.  Bang bang bang for an hour, with some shockingly bad tunes thrown in for good measure.  I was distinctly unimpressed.

come on comments like that are pointless without naming names :P

Pointless anyway on the theme of the thread, OK one mix suited the point but the person involved may have been just putting out a harder mix when it comes down to it.  Plenty of mixes demonstrate the variation the person was desiring, just have to judge by the trackies

Why do you feel my contribution was pointless, John?  It's a thread about the decline in HH.  I simply stated that I've been distinctly unimpressed with quite a few recent HH mixes which have been chock full of, frankly, shit tracks with little or no progression. 
       

I don't mean the contribution moreso the way the example(s) were used to illustrate that the music/mixes/scene around right now is rubbish.  There are plenty of mixes that cater for the harder end of the spectrum which may not vary too much in style but that's not a new thing by any means, if anything IMO there is less of those than there was a couple of years ago.  There has been a wider variation of strengths and the funkier end has had a lot more choice in the last couple of years although we have had a quieter few months recently which isn't unusual.

I don't know what mix you used as your example as you haven't said but what if the producer in question style is the harder end?  It caters for their taste and a few other peoples tastes in the same way as some who play funky mainly play funky stuff.  A mix could well have been an intended harder mix from someone who doesn't always do that, my last current one is probably a bit harder than most I do for example.  I tend to like to mix and listen to sets that vary material and strength with progression etc and to be honest I usually find these easy enough by checking track lists and having an educated guess on it if I haven;t heard the tracks before from what I know about the artists.  I have one on the download now I fully expect to progress well because it's that DJ's style.

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I used to shop at a local independent shop called Play Inn and go down to Manchester once a week to Spin Inn, Eastern Bloc, Vinyl Exchange, and Factory..  I miss vinyl shopping.. 

But now you can do MP3 pinching and put that final nail in the coffin.

I admire the die-hards that keep producding HH but if you're not going to make  your money back from production costs, you need to have a word with yourself!

Not made your money back, 30 people in Bristol heard last month, and not one member of the audience knows who you are or will buy it. Think about it!

Sorry for being harsh but that's how it looks from here.

you got torrets?

am I alone in thinking WTF?

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i just actually don't understand what you mean. do you mean there was a club night in bristol with only 30 people in there? because that has nothing to do with music sales... secondly i don't need to have a word with myself whether i make my money back or not... you see. it's my choice at the end of the day. yeah you said 'admire' but you still said i should have a word with myself, and i don't think i do really :o)

Good. It's best you don't!

Re Bristol... I was being sarcastic.FFS!

Dont you realize that you are only suppose to say nice things about hard dance on here.

I did. re the record shop bit. I like HH, but the old skool stuff, not the crap that's being churned out today.

Do you actually listen to any these days?  Should maybe you give up comedy after the last gig then as people weren't interested there?  A lot of people do it because they enjoy, what's not to understand? 

Some made certain points on these thread and as I say before some of things they say it should be about are there but clearly this more about having a pop at the scene for the sake of it

my god not this again

Reckon it's digital that's turned it 'crap'...because there is no risk to releasing a tune anymore like in the days of vinyl...

The good stuff is still there, just takes much more looking for imo.

I'm enjoying the hard house currently being produced these days.

Makes me laugh when new comers who have produced one or two tracks by an engineer that sounds pretty flat and standard and signed to one of the biggies suddenly think they are legends in the scene and try and tell me how its done

Im not a legend or a seasoned pro but ive wrote some decent tracks and have alot to offer, i and others who have been doing it for awhile whether producing ourselves or using an engineer have took the time to learn it properly when producing ourselves and do it properly when using an engineer by taking decent sounds and ideas with us, nothing wrong with holding your head up high but for fucksake dont see it as a quick meal ticket to become famous its pathetic  lol

Makes me laugh when new comers who have produced one or two tracks by an engineer that sounds pretty flat and standard and signed to one of the biggies suddenly think they are legends in the scene and try and tell me how its done

You're not great at getting your point across half the time it reeks of self importance No need to divide people up of who does what.

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Phil Free vs Matt Capitani - Love To Hate. Awesome tune

 Rob that would some strange awkward day in the studio as a collab not that i have a problem with Phil anymore but thinking back to those old arguments..sheesh, what was that all about  

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I'm not going to mention any names, but there was a certain someone who I asked to play Fixation who tried telling me his usual fee was 400 quid but he was willing to do it for 100.   This guy had only played out a handful of times, and even 100 quid was too much IMO.   There are quite a few people in the scene who have a very over-inflated view of there own importance. 

wtf ...

But he has had releases on all the major labels!!

I couldnt charge for a gig, unless i had been doing it for awhile with experience at some big events and a good following, i think a good following from clubbers and playing a good versatile set of music is probably the biggest guarantee that they are gonna put on a good gig on that night and worth booking, i think it goes along the same lines of the following surrounding a good track to be signed on one of the biggy labels.

Anyway, I am doing it for free,  i don't make any of the DJ's pay a penny!

Doing what?  Throwing good money after bad?  Yeah why not.   You havn't got a fooking clue matey.  laters