First release selling on Bangings store...

Hi....I posted a topic in general discussions but guess as its feedback im after i should post this here also!

Me and a friend has got a release out on Banging Tunes....its of the hard trance genre....the artists are "The Brethren"....this is our first release and all feedback will be good!

Thanks,

          Troy and James.....The Brethren.....Brethren Records.

Don't wish to sound harsh mate but my advice to you would be practice a little more before you make any more releases mate, to be perfectly honest I think you need to come on along way before you start thinking about releasing your stuff.

Sorry to sound like an , but thats the truth, IMO.

have to agree too... doesnt sound very professional.. is it your own label dude?

OK folks.....thanks for the feedback!

Just a few things....

If this track wasnt for sale on Banging Tunes then i would say...ok....your right!

As these Brethren tracks ARE for sale on Banging Tunes it makes things a little different!

Different because? Management at Banging Tunes accepted this track...thus meaning it passes the standards test.

Perhaps i should have put the whole track up for you to listen to , to get a full perspective but not a problem!

I did notice none of you who replied had "hard trance" as your music style so i cant really take your views serious enough although you probably know about production....you probably dedicate your ears to your OWN style of music and not the style of others....

But as i said....all feedback is good so thanks. 

The Brethren

Well Jimmy.....thanks!

And yes, it is our own label.

I agree Skelp especially when those people have been producing for a while and know what there listening too like most of us on here.

I do listen too and produce the occasional Hard Trance tune and tbh I don't think your tune sounds like Hard Trance at all.

Don't like either track to be honest mate. And I do like hard trance.

There's just no continuity or flow to either of them, everything just sounds really random.

Good luck with the label though dude

had a listen to the A side i think it was. very obscure sounding, not much trance element in there. its not so much that you lacked production quality, although it wasnt good enough to be released IMO. It was the main ideas of the tune that lacked. did sound horrible for me and I couldnt see anyone really dancing to it which is what its all about.

sorry mate, just being honest but i'd get back to the drawing board.

I value ALL your opinions.....people think im getting all defensive....honestly....im not!

Im just telling people how it is....it IS a new style of hard trance.....your listening to a 2 min clip and both tracks are 12 mins long.....you have to understand it is going to sound a little different to most hard trance and to be honest the music me and my friend produce comes from the heart.....were not in it for the money......were not making it how its "supposed" to be made!

We come from a background of listening to Scot Project,Wag,Trance Generators,Accenter and 3`o,Hennes and Cold,Warmduscher,Uberdruck.....so i think our knowledge is powerful enough to put onto vinyl.....difference being? Its a NEW style of hard trance.....fed up of listening to the same layouts ALL the time....

....Hard trance back in the day when Scot project was dark and creative was brilliant to listen to but we all have to admit that the sound has changed since and as im into the darker stuff and none was about and still isnt....we wanted to make the music ourselves! I do admire some parts of production producers put into the music they make but its only ELEMENTS of good value! For example....i heard a new Chemical Brothers track yesterday and they do some mad stuff with LFO through CC#.....Scot Project must of had a mad pitching program when he made a track not so long ago.....Uberduck use made effects processors and are good at finding individual sounds.....its important to me and my mate for a track to have good production along with all the other main elements that make up a good trance track! A colourful bassline rich in harmonics.....one that can filter well......a fat beat.....nice percussion......analogue style sounds....or analogue! (shame we cant afford an anologue synth)....background sounds are important too....the little details.....all this feels the natural way for us to make this music that we are selling!

Its good to see what people are saying about the track even if its not good....at least your putting effort into replying to my topic!

Oh....someone was dissing the label....im 23...my mates 23.....life is hard....money isnt good.....it had to be a low budget label.....for now! Main thing is we got our music out there! Our Mastering Engineers are good too.....big respect to those guys.....actually....if i remember correctly our pressing plant is that of the same as Stay Up Forever Records! Anyhow.....

Just a little insight for you so you understand why we have created this type of music!

Thanks all,

               Troy (and James)......The Brethren......Brethren records.

That means fuck all mate I'm afraid. I presume you've got em in stock on a sale or return basis, (and I know you have, as there's 29 in stock, pretty much meaning that there were 30 to begin with, and I know Kristian would'nt take 30 units of an unknown artist if it wasn't on SOR) in this case Kristian will stock just about anything that remotelly comes into the hard music catagory as there's no risk whatsoever. If he only sells 2 copies he'a not lost a penny.

I'm not that much into hard trance anymore, did used to be though, but, your production in my opinion needs a lot more work, you're either very brave, or a bit on the slow side to be investing money pressing half assed material like that.

Soz if that sounds harsh, but you did ask.

Good luck anyway.

OK mate.....but if you read what i said?........THE BRETHREN ARE NOT IN IT FOR THE MONEY......this music comes from our soul......you dont like it.....nobody else likes it....it doesnt matter! WHY??? Because were individuals!......also....you may know about how the sale process works at Banging and you may know the management at Banging.....you may know alot? Im obviously less intelligent than you?

Im not here for war.....you,along with 99% of people on here can say exactly what you want but honestly.....its not going to change how The Brethren produces music!

I dont understand why people cant respect the fact that were making music like this.....not everybody is into the same style of music...i understand that.....so why cant you?

Look at Hard Style......this is a new style of Trance/Techno.....i dont particularly like it but i respect the fact that someone has created this new style of music which has taken the sound to a new level!

I know i asked for feedback but no need for all the swearing and disrespectful comments you people make on here......just live and let live!

Thanks,

          Troy......The Brethren.....Brethren Records.

Had listen to both samples.......I dont like them, they sound to hollow and 1992 for me. I think you should consider naming the music you do something else as it is not a new form of hard trance IMO, because it is not hard and it has no element of trance in there as it chops and changes too much to allow for the listener to slip in a trance while listening to it. I do understand that we have only short samples to listen too, but I can say unless I was wanting to buy old sounding experimental tracks this record would not ever be considered for purchase.

I think your production needs work but I believe you have a good base to work from and I have heard much worse.

Yeah they do

I hardly ever grace this part of the forum but couldn't believe my ears when I listened to this! Its fucking awsome!!!! How can you guys not like this? Its a complete break from the norm and totally fresh sounding, I would be dancing around to this no probs! Definately a purchase from me!

from reading all the posts here , i see a lot of hatrid for this style of music this man has put togeather , to be honest im not so much of an nrg fan myself and am very board of the productions that are being released these days , same old build ups hoovers etc , playing it safe i have to say , the reason i enjoyed these tracks is becouse they are very unique and do not sound like anything i have heard recantly an aquired taste i have to say obvously not for the average chav...

cheers

Piers............

ps troy why dont you join in on the 2005 banging tunes competition and show them how its don ? !!!!!!

Probably a good thing your not in it for the money, cause your gonna lose a lot of it if you keep pressing stuff like this.

My advice would be to spend some more time working on creating better tracks before you jump into gettin them pressed. Getting them pressed doesnt mean jack if the tunes are rubbish.

Cant get a full picture of the song from the 2 small samples, but i didnt hear anything that stood out.

You had some good sounds in there, i think you would be better suited to creating some form of hardstyle tracks (Gabber, Hardcore, Speedcore, Noisecore... something along those lines). Try cranking up the bpm on your tracks.

Another thing. With your comment on how your tracks are different because they are longer. It should be about quality not quantity.

Still 28 copies in stock.. What a seller...

Both tunes are horrible IMO and i like Hard Trance etc...

Sort it out!!!

i think these lot are giving you too hard a time tbh.  I listened to the Aside and i liked it although it does not sound all that new to me - its like old acid trance and techno trance, definitely got that german tip going on in there like hennes and cold.  This would sit well in a set at a free/outdoor party i think.  I like the progressive edge to it but it wouldnt cut the mustard with most prog DJ's.  Nice cross over tune for warm up sets and a break from bang bang bang. Try sending it to some of the planet Zogg dj's, that kind of a hippy trance night.  Nights for this kind of thing seem a bit thin on the ground of late but there are people who would play this

I wasn't struck on the B side though and think that some of the comments that have already been made kinda fit this. Tis a bit wishy washy and doesn't seem to know where it is heading (either that or its the way you've put the sample together for BT)

Sorry, but I have to agree with everyone else man... The tracks are lacking!  There ARE some cool elements in them.  Sounds like some old school german hard when hard trance was coming out or something, I wasnt around anyways.  I dont think it is next level hard trance at all.  It sounds a bit digressed IMHO. The sound quality is pretty good . I dunno, I dont have much say anyway (noob status).  Good luck with it.

LMAO at the sweaty german club thing.  Funny shit.

 wank.

Fair play to you for getting your own press done but I honestly don't think either tunes are ready for release.

I thought it sounded really sterile, the percussion sounds like general midi sounds (especially the shaker) and the synthesisers have no clout to them. If this was played in a club, what effect do you think it would have? I can't imagine many DJs putting this in a set because it isn't current - The "next level hard trance" as you call it sounds like old German Techno.

There doesn't seem to be any cohesion or flow to it and it doesn't sound like the parts would fit together. I appreciate that there is 12 minutes (!) of it but it seems there isn't much "go" to the tune - if it stops and starts too much then people won't dance to it which will result in DJs not touching it.

Without wanting to sound patronising, I honestly think it would be worth spending your money on a music production course rather than putting out records for the moment.

The a-side has some nice sounds, sounds pretty cool, I haven´t heard that sound before. I don´t care if you people say "it´s not hardtrance", I´m listening to the track, not what you call it. I think it´s a bit diffrent, and thats a good thing, not a traditional sound, as a lot of HardTrance has. Keep up the work.

To me both sides sound very very old and outdated. Would love to see how you could fit these tracks into any modern set. Maybe being different is a good thing but its no good if it cant be fitted into a DJ's set. They sound really basic, almost like summat I knocked together on Rave Ejay years ago!

Deffo not my sort of music and cant really see why anyone would be into this style of track. Just doesnt have anything going for it in my opinion and considering how much quality (from this site alone) is still unsigned/unreleased, it seems laughable to think this has made it to vinyl