What do you think to the new HHH album....

 
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8 months ago
Sam Townend
samtownend Pic318 Posts
Leeds Vegas
Music Style House Thats Hard
What is everyone's thoughts on the new Hard House Heaven album, yay or nay?

Do you think it represents 'Hard House' properly?

Do you think it showcases the different sounds within the genre properly........?
8 months ago
Dolewaller
7718 Posts
United KingdomLeeds
Music Style Your taxes, my booze.
Some of it does. I suppose the more generic "Hard Dance Heaven" would be a better suited title. 

Post edited by owner 10/10/2011 16:10:58
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose

Yea the first cd awesome, true hard house. Any other time people from the hard dance side of the scene ar dying to get as far away from the hard house tag as they can. But when there's an album that needs selling they soon come back to using the name. The 2nd cd doesnt represent hard house at all. Not even the same genre. Think people are losing grasp of what hard house is, any before someone comes back with 'the fun side of hard house' that back end of cd is no comparison. Be better on a Wigan Pier cd. And im not having a dig at anyone there, just the sound.

Since when are Gammer, Klubfiller, Energy Syndicate, Technikal(no offence to any of these) ever been associated with Hard House, because they have appeared on the not very hard house these days Tidy label?

 

Awaits to be shot down..just my opinion of course.


Post edited by owner 10/10/2011 17:03:32
8 months ago
Cause & Effect
thepunisher Pic865 Posts
Cardiff
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What is everyone's thoughts on the new Hard Dance and some Crap Heaven album, yay or nay?

Do you think it represents 'Hard House' properly?

Do you think it showcases the different sounds within the genre properly........?

Fixed the post thumbsup
8 months ago
Hi Freak1c
hifreak1c Pic2228 Posts
United KingdomThe Town of unknown! SW
Music Style Some Horrible Noises
Farley CD is first class not keen on the other music from the other CD. And another thing how come every week Tidy is releasing a classic compilation every Monday of classic which are not really forgotten classic tbh. I think I've seen the same tunes now released every monday lol. Sorry rant over....and breath...

Post edited by owner 10/10/2011 6:24:50 PM
8 months ago
Ross Homson
rosshomson Pic3042 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard & Tech
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Farley CD is first class not keen on the other music from the other CD. And another thing how come every week Tidy is releasing a classic compilation every Monday of classic which are not really forgotten classic tbh. I think I've seen the same tunes now released every monday lol. Sorry rant over....and breath...


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8 months ago
Nogger
nogger Pic2954 Posts
EnglandBarnsley, S. Yorks
Music Style HH/Nrg/Techno
The Farley mix is quality thumbsup but I'm sorry the other cd doesn't do anything for me at all, each to their own but it just sounds like something from a cheesy clubland cd or something to me.
8 months ago
Sam Townend
samtownend Pic318 Posts
Leeds Vegas
Music Style House Thats Hard
I gathered the majority of the people on here wouldn't like CD 2,  but i'm confused as to why you think it isn't 'Hard House'..........It sounds like the House thats popular / current at the moment...its kinda like House music that's hard......
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
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Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
Since when have tunes that incorperate fidget, 'hard dub' become hard house?? Im sorry dud not having a pop at you, but the sounds are 2 very different sounds, but no doubt you had to mak the album appeal to a wider audience. As someone said in a whitby thread, im just glad people i know dont associate me to that type of music when i say im into hard house.

Post edited by owner 10/10/2011 20:50:37
8 months ago
Matt Capitani
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United KingdomMidlands
Music Style Ska mania
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What is everyone's thoughts on the new Hard Dance and then some Heaven album, yay or nay?

Do you think it represents 'Hard House' properly?

Do you think it showcases the different sounds within the genre properly........?

Fixed the post thumbsup

Or you could go for the almighty and cheesy: ^^

Post edited by owner 10/10/2011 21:06:29
8 months ago
Gareth Cheeseman
Johngeary Pic18356 Posts
United KingdomDerby
Music Style Hard House / NRG
To be honest I haven't give the other two CD's even a preview listen but purchased and downloaded the Farley one yesterday. I know what I like really and he never lets us down laugh
8 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
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I gathered the majority of the people on here wouldn't like CD 2,  but i'm confused as to why you think it isn't 'Hard House'..........It sounds like the House thats popular / current at the moment...its kinda like House music that's hard......
 We must of grown up listening to different types of house music because it sounds nothing like house music.The remix of  'the dawn' made me cringe, no disrespect to the producer.I can hear that it was produced well but it just does not sit right with me.

Post edited by owner 10/10/2011 10:26:37 PM
8 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
first mix does, second mix doesnt imo, proper not liking this hard dub thing, sounds so gash
8 months ago
Sam Townend
samtownend Pic318 Posts
Leeds Vegas
Music Style House Thats Hard
Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.


8 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
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incorperate fidget,
them nu ravers tracks on tidy?
8 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
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I gathered the majority of the people on here wouldn't like CD 2,  but i'm confused as to why you think it isn't 'Hard House'..........It sounds like the House thats popular / current at the moment...its kinda like House music that's hard......
 We must of grown up listening to different types of house music because it sounds nothing like house music.The remix of  'the dawn' made me cringe, no disrespect to the producer.I can hear that it was produced well but it just does not sit right with me.
haha i must be the only person on here that likes that remix, i love the duck noise that everyone moaned about!
8 months ago
Cyan
1963 Posts
New ZealandAuckland
Music Style HARD BEATS
Not heard it - but am looking forward to the release of Jody 6 VC mix coming out soon <3
8 months ago
Tom Payne
tman Pic7196 Posts
IrelandRacoon City
Music Style Anything goes.../Hard-Dub
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I gathered the majority of the people on here wouldn't like CD 2,  but i'm confused as to why you think it isn't 'Hard House'..........It sounds like the House thats popular / current at the moment...its kinda like House music that's hard......
I'm sure all the fans of Scott's remix of the Dawn in that other thread will be here to defend it soon...
8 months ago
Cycle 13
pr1cer Pic7173 Posts
Virgin Islands (U.S.)Hereford
Music Style Slosh-step
I'm not even sure what to say.  How you can try and fob people off and claim that CD2 is Hard House I'll never know.

There is the odd track in there that has some hard house elements but for the most part it sounds like some shitty club land extreme ripoff.  What the hell is going on with that Black Betty track too for fuck sake?

Like other people have said you might be able to get away with using that god awful label of Hard Dance, but Hard House? Not a chance.
8 months ago
Sam
SAMGREEN Pic2216 Posts
United KingdomChester
Music Style Hard House
Nice to see Ross's release 'Attention Seeking Missile' on Insomniacz Digital getting supported on this!
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
 Ask any veteran dj if they think thats house that is hard. Infact ask anyone. Stop trying to change the genre in your favour or taste preferences.

Post edited by owner 11/10/2011 10:41:06
8 months ago
Norris
norris Pic8062 Posts
EnglandYork
Music Style Hard House

Personally I would say it represents the scene as a whole as it is now very well.

 

Some people dont like CD2,  however some people wont like CD1 either, you cant please all the people all of the time.

 

Regardless of whether you want to call it hard house, hard dance or whatever, does it represent the scene AS IT IS NOW, I would say yes, it covers the whole spectrum of sounds that would be found in various hard house clubs up and down the country.

8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
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Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
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Personally I would say it represents the scene as a whole as it is now very well.

 

Some people dont like CD2,  however some people wont like CD1 either, you cant please all the people all of the time.

 

Regardless of whether you want to call it hard house, hard dance or whatever, does it represent the scene AS IT IS NOW, I would say yes, it covers the whole spectrum of sounds that would be found in various hard house clubs up and down the country.Mate, that sty

To me that style of music is a seperate style of music. Hard House & Hard Dance are not the same. It hasnt been for years. Just like how Goodgreef seperated itself from hard house (thank god) Just because it sometimes gets played at the same night doesnt make it the same sound.

Post edited by owner 11/10/2011 10:49:41
8 months ago
Hoover slut
adamnrg Pic22669 Posts
East TimorSouthend
Music Style Nasty As Fuck
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 Ask any veteran dj if they think thats house that is hard. Infact ask anyone. Stop trying to change the genre in your favour or taste preferences.

Totally bang on with that entire post Gaz. CD 2 isnt Hard House. End of. And no amount of justification is going to change that otherwise. Hard House is its own genre. Its not just House music that is hard. Perhaps it started off that way, but its not been like that for bloody years now. Its its own genre that isnt constantly evolving to follow the current direction of House music, it has its own direction. So that argument is just fucking stupid.
8 months ago
Norris
norris Pic8062 Posts
EnglandYork
Music Style Hard House

If Andy Farley played to a load of chavs straight after a cheesy set from Klubfiller I would put money on them loving it. I would say that a large percentage of people that generally listen to the cheesy stuff has no idea that what people would call 'proper hard house' even exists, which is why its great that CD's like this are coming out, people will buy this for the cheesy stuff, and be exposed to the 'proper' stuff. Some people will probably prefer a whole 2 CD's of either one or the other, but you cant please all the people all the time. IMO a CD like this will have more of an impact on the scene as a whole than 2 CD's of the same stuff.

8 months ago
Ross Homson
rosshomson Pic3042 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard & Tech
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If Andy Farley played to a load of chavs straight after a cheesy set from Klubfiller I would put money on them loving it. I would say that a large percentage of people that generally listen to the cheesy stuff has no idea that what people would call 'proper hard house' even exists, which is why its great that CD's like this are coming out, people will buy this for the cheesy stuff, and be exposed to the 'proper' stuff. Some people will probably prefer a whole 2 CD's of either one or the other, but you cant please all the people all the time. IMO a CD like this will have more of an impact on the scene as a whole than 2 CD's of the same stuff.

so the point of cd2 is to bring more chav's onto the scene? great!
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
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If Andy Farley played to a load of chavs straight after a cheesy set from Klubfiller I would put money on them loving it. I would say that a large percentage of people that generally listen to the cheesy stuff has no idea that what people would call 'proper hard house' even exists, which is why its great that CD's like this are coming out, people will buy this for the cheesy stuff, and be exposed to the 'proper' stuff. Some people will probably prefer a whole 2 CD's of either one or the other, but you cant please all the people all the time. IMO a CD like this will have more of an impact on the scene as a whole than 2 CD's of the same stuff.


But that cd doesnt give a true representation of what hard house is, many a time when ive just got chatting to some bird, and she asked what music im into and i say hard house, she relates it to this stye of music or wigan pier and takes the piss out of me being into chavvy music. Almost makes me embarassed to tell them what kind of music im into, just because of people throwing this crap under the hard house banner.

Post edited by owner 11/10/2011 11:01:29
8 months ago
Norris
norris Pic8062 Posts
EnglandYork
Music Style Hard House
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If Andy Farley played to a load of chavs straight after a cheesy set from Klubfiller I would put money on them loving it. I would say that a large percentage of people that generally listen to the cheesy stuff has no idea that what people would call 'proper hard house' even exists, which is why its great that CD's like this are coming out, people will buy this for the cheesy stuff, and be exposed to the 'proper' stuff. Some people will probably prefer a whole 2 CD's of either one or the other, but you cant please all the people all the time. IMO a CD like this will have more of an impact on the scene as a whole than 2 CD's of the same stuff.

so the point of cd2 is to bring more chav's onto the scene? great!

No, the point is to appeal to more people in general, I just said chavs because its stereotypical to lable anybody that listens to cheese as a chav, I should have chosen my words better, but Im sure you get the point.
8 months ago
Norris
norris Pic8062 Posts
EnglandYork
Music Style Hard House
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If Andy Farley played to a load of chavs straight after a cheesy set from Klubfiller I would put money on them loving it. I would say that a large percentage of people that generally listen to the cheesy stuff has no idea that what people would call 'proper hard house' even exists, which is why its great that CD's like this are coming out, people will buy this for the cheesy stuff, and be exposed to the 'proper' stuff. Some people will probably prefer a whole 2 CD's of either one or the other, but you cant please all the people all the time. IMO a CD like this will have more of an impact on the scene as a whole than 2 CD's of the same stuff.


But that cd doesnt give a true representation of what hard house is, many a time when ive just got chatting to some bird, and she asked what music im into and i say hard house, she relates it to this stye of music or wigan pier and takes the piss out of me being into chavvy music. Almost makes me embarassed to tell them what kind of music im into, just because of people throwing this crap under the hard house banner.

Listening to some of the tracks on CD 1, using your argument I would say that some if it isnt hard house, its hard NRG. We could discuss what to call it all for a million years but If you ask me its all different spectrums or variations of what I personally would call hard house. Funky, Cheesy and Hard, but all hard house (or hard dancelaughing)
8 months ago
Nogger
Nogger Pic2954 Posts
EnglandBarnsley, S. Yorks
Music Style HH/Nrg/Techno
I've got to say that Gaz is hitting the nail right on the head here. In my opinion the 2 cd's are 2 different genre's.
8 months ago
Norris
norris Pic8062 Posts
EnglandYork
Music Style Hard House
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I've got to say that Gaz is hitting the nail right on the head here. In my opinion the 2 cd's are 2 different genre's.

come on Nogger, sign up some Klubfiller on Slingshot, lead the waylaughing
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
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If Andy Farley played to a load of chavs straight after a cheesy set from Klubfiller I would put money on them loving it. I would say that a large percentage of people that generally listen to the cheesy stuff has no idea that what people would call 'proper hard house' even exists, which is why its great that CD's like this are coming out, people will buy this for the cheesy stuff, and be exposed to the 'proper' stuff. Some people will probably prefer a whole 2 CD's of either one or the other, but you cant please all the people all the time. IMO a CD like this will have more of an impact on the scene as a whole than 2 CD's of the same stuff.


But that cd doesnt give a true representation of what hard house is, many a time when ive just got chatting to some bird, and she asked what music im into and i say hard house, she relates it to this stye of music or wigan pier and takes the piss out of me being into chavvy music. Almost makes me embarassed to tell them what kind of music im into, just because of people throwing this crap under the hard house banner.

Listening to some of the tracks on CD 1, using your argument I would say that some if it isnt hard house, its hard NRG. We could discuss what to call it all for a million years but If you ask me its all different spectrums or variations of what I personally would call hard house. Funky, Cheesy and Hard, but all hard house (or hard dancelaughing)

Hard Nrg is what Narc, Grady etc produce imo. But thats a different argument altogetherlaughing
8 months ago
JP
JONPAUL Pic262 Posts
United KingdomTamworth
Music Style HardHouse
who ever butchered avicii - "levels" needs to seriously get a grip.... Why ruin a totally good house track and turn it into that tripe, go find your own ideas.. Poor form
8 months ago
Norris
norris Pic8062 Posts
EnglandYork
Music Style Hard House
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If Andy Farley played to a load of chavs straight after a cheesy set from Klubfiller I would put money on them loving it. I would say that a large percentage of people that generally listen to the cheesy stuff has no idea that what people would call 'proper hard house' even exists, which is why its great that CD's like this are coming out, people will buy this for the cheesy stuff, and be exposed to the 'proper' stuff. Some people will probably prefer a whole 2 CD's of either one or the other, but you cant please all the people all the time. IMO a CD like this will have more of an impact on the scene as a whole than 2 CD's of the same stuff.


But that cd doesnt give a true representation of what hard house is, many a time when ive just got chatting to some bird, and she asked what music im into and i say hard house, she relates it to this stye of music or wigan pier and takes the piss out of me being into chavvy music. Almost makes me embarassed to tell them what kind of music im into, just because of people throwing this crap under the hard house banner.

Listening to some of the tracks on CD 1, using your argument I would say that some if it isnt hard house, its hard NRG. We could discuss what to call it all for a million years but If you ask me its all different spectrums or variations of what I personally would call hard house. Funky, Cheesy and Hard, but all hard house (or hard dancelaughing)

Hard Nrg is what Narc, Grady etc produce imo. But thats a different argument altogetherlaughing


laughing Exactly. We could argue forever about whats what, but I just like to keep it simple, its all hard houselaughing

 

Just a quick example, what would you call 'Mean Streak' (The Adam M Tune)

8 months ago
Ross Homson
rosshomson Pic3042 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard & Tech
tbh i'd much rather go to house / techno nights these days as I dont want to be listening to cheesy fairground music and shitty rip off's of pop music. If that is what we should be calling hard house these days then i'd rather lot listen to it at all. frown

Post edited by owner 10/11/2011 11:27:00 AM
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
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tbh i'd much rather go to house / techno nights these days as I dont want to be listening to cheesy fairground music and shitty rip off's of pop music. If that is what we should be calling hard house these days then i'd rather lot listen to it at all. frown

Credible dance music apparently..
8 months ago
Norris
norris Pic8062 Posts
EnglandYork
Music Style Hard House
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tbh i'd much rather go to house / techno nights these days as I dont want to be listening to cheesy fairground music. If that is what we should be calling hard house these days then i'd rather lot listen to it at all. frown


bounce has been around for years, a lot of people would say thats cheesy but is it still hard house, yes it is. You would only hear bounce in a hard house club.

 

I dont even no why Im posting all this either cos at the end of the day I really dont carelaughing, passes the time I suppose.

8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
Meanstreak is deffo borderline, savage track.
8 months ago
Socky
socky Pic3367 Posts
AustraliaBrisbane
Music Style Rave Music
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If Andy Farley played to a load of chavs straight after a cheesy set from Klubfiller I would put money on them loving it. I would say that a large percentage of people that generally listen to the cheesy stuff has no idea that what people would call 'proper hard house' even exists, which is why its great that CD's like this are coming out, people will buy this for the cheesy stuff, and be exposed to the 'proper' stuff. Some people will probably prefer a whole 2 CD's of either one or the other, but you cant please all the people all the time. IMO a CD like this will have more of an impact on the scene as a whole than 2 CD's of the same stuff.


No they wouldn't.

Most of my mates are into that type of bullshit and said on the way home from magna in april that they couldn't understand how anyone could prefer hard house, after seeing a room full of people 'half dancing' to it.

You either feel the hard house rhythm and groove or you don't, and if you don't then you'll find the jump around the room like a spastic big tunes/kicks/melodies more appealing, they're not compatible.


edit - that's just a general thing tho, yes you'll have people who got into the type of stuff on cd2 and then were converted when they heard the sounds on cd1, but same goes for people who got hooked on tdv - tel aviv and then got onverted to house/techno when they heard it.

Post edited by owner 10/11/2011 11:35:37 AM
8 months ago
Norris
norris Pic8062 Posts
EnglandYork
Music Style Hard House
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Meanstreak is deffo borderline, savage track.

laughinglaughinglaughing So now we're into 'borderline', its all very confusing this genre labelinglaughing
8 months ago
Norris
norris Pic8062 Posts
EnglandYork
Music Style Hard House
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If Andy Farley played to a load of chavs straight after a cheesy set from Klubfiller I would put money on them loving it. I would say that a large percentage of people that generally listen to the cheesy stuff has no idea that what people would call 'proper hard house' even exists, which is why its great that CD's like this are coming out, people will buy this for the cheesy stuff, and be exposed to the 'proper' stuff. Some people will probably prefer a whole 2 CD's of either one or the other, but you cant please all the people all the time. IMO a CD like this will have more of an impact on the scene as a whole than 2 CD's of the same stuff.


No they wouldn't.

Most of my mates are into that type of bullshit and said on the way home from magna in april that they couldn't understand how anyone could prefer hard house, after seeing a room full of people 'half dancing' to it.

You either feel the hard house rhythm and groove or you don't, and if you don't then you'll find the jump around the room like a spastic big tunes/kicks/melodies more appealing, they're not compatible.


edit - that's just a general thing tho, yes you'll have people who got into the type of stuff on cd2 and then were converted when they heard the sounds on cd1, but same goes for people who got hooked on tdv - tel aviv and then got onverted to house/techno when they heard it.

Utter Utter rubbish, so what your saying is you can only like one or the other. Ludicrous.
8 months ago
Socky
socky Pic3367 Posts
AustraliaBrisbane
Music Style Rave Music
No, what I'm saying is from experience people who like the likes of CD2 aren't going to be magically converted to HH when they hear CD1

Your average lisa pin up fan or scot atrill fan is going to wander off the floor if farley comes on after them, you're living in dreamworld if you think they'd love it, they wouldn't even give it a chance.
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
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Norfolk IslandWIGAN
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Meanstreak is deffo borderline, savage track.

laughinglaughinglaughing So now we're into 'borderline', its all very confusing this genre labelinglaughing

Boderline between nrg and hard house, not sure why your have brought this up though, totally irrelivant to the post topic

Post edited by owner 11/10/2011 11:41:19
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
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No, what I'm saying is from experience people who like the likes of CD2 aren't going to be magically converted to HH when they hear CD1

Your average lisa pin up fan or scot atrill fan is going to wander off the floor if farley comes on after them, you're living in dreamworld if you think they'd love it, they wouldn't even give it a chance.


thumbsup

 

I saw that happen on NYD at Somz.

8 months ago
Norris
norris Pic8062 Posts
EnglandYork
Music Style Hard House
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Meanstreak is deffo borderline, savage track.

laughinglaughinglaughing So now we're into 'borderline', its all very confusing this genre labelinglaughing

Boderline between nrg and hard house, not sure why your have brought this up though, totally irrelivant to the post topic

Its just an example of how different people can call the same genre different things. Some people would call mean streak hard house, some people would call it hard NRG. Some people would call CD2 hard dance, some people would call it hard house, others would call it shitty cheese, who's right, everybody, its all a matter of persepective.
8 months ago
Norris
norris Pic8062 Posts
EnglandYork
Music Style Hard House
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No, what I'm saying is from experience people who like the likes of CD2 aren't going to be magically converted to HH when they hear CD1

Your average lisa pin up fan or scot atrill fan is going to wander off the floor if farley comes on after them, you're living in dreamworld if you think they'd love it, they wouldn't even give it a chance.

but some people might be converted, and thats the point. Some people might listen to Pin Up and then listen to Farley and enjoy it, not everyone, but some. You cant please all the people all the time.
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
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Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
Nobody with 1/2 a brain would call that Hard House except people that are trying to cash in on the name, or are out to stamp out what true hard house actually is with their own tastes.
8 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
not sure why people keep sayin CD, its not a CD album laughing
8 months ago
Sam Townend
samtownend Pic318 Posts
Leeds Vegas
Music Style House Thats Hard
Ok, so there is obviously a massive split between what people consider to be Hard House.
It would seem (if the voices of 10 or so people are to be taken on board), that the scene is fragmenting even further into its own sub genres of sub genres.......which could either be good / bad, depends which way you look at it.

Out of interest - what do the people who think the new sound is crap, think of the older stuff like 'Lock N Load - Blow Ya Mind', 'DJ Jean - The Launch' etc etc.

That is all main stream 'cheese' too.....but never the less, still labelled as 'Hard House', which it is.

Don't you think the new stuff on Mix 2 is trying to capture that same vibe, just in an up to date way?
8 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
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Out of interest - what do the people who think the new sound is crap, think of the older stuff like 'Lock N Load - Blow Ya Mind', 'DJ Jean - The Launch' etc etc.
i love them tunes and always will, they arent what got we into hard house tho but we im guessin it did with others?
thing is they sounded housey and most importantly they were very catchy.
I find alot of the hard dance stuff to be too glitchy and choppy.
8 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
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Mr Pedantic.
yeap biggrin
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
That stuff on the second disk doesnt sound like them tunes if you ask me, a lot of stuff i hear from that side of the scene sound like pitched up fidget house music.  Soon as a new house grenre pops up, people jump on it and try and create a hard version...since when did hard house evolve with the latest trend?? Oh i know when certain 'trendsetters' became prominent and forced it down our throats because they like that style of music and want to make versions of it they can play out or cash in off .

Post edited by owner 11/10/2011 12:48:45
8 months ago
Tarquin
jamieuk1999 Pic24928 Posts
FranceParis
Music Style Fabulous Darling
surprised sams not very sly attempt at promo for this cd/mix asking a question he already knows the answer to has got so many reponses
8 months ago
Socky
socky Pic3367 Posts
AustraliaBrisbane
Music Style Rave Music
In reply to
Ok, so there is obviously a massive split between what people consider to be Hard House.
It would seem (if the voices of 10 or so people are to be taken on board), that the scene is fragmenting even further into its own sub genres of sub genres.......which could either be good / bad, depends which way you look at it.

Out of interest - what do the people who think the new sound is crap, think of the older stuff like 'Lock N Load - Blow Ya Mind', 'DJ Jean - The Launch' etc etc.

That is all main stream 'cheese' too.....but never the less, still labelled as 'Hard House', which it is.

Don't you think the new stuff on Mix 2 is trying to capture that same vibe, just in an up to date way?

Have to agree with your earlier statement that HH as most people on BT know it is a harder take on older forms of house music and the newer sounding hard dance is a harder take on modern house music like fidget etc thumbsup

@jme - well it worked, cos I hadn't heard about the album and I've gone and purchased the farley mix from it being discussed in this thread laughing
8 months ago
Cilla Battersby
daveclarke Pic21836 Posts
United KingdomWorcester
Music Style Techno
In reply to
tbh i'd much rather go to house / techno nights these days as I dont want to be listening to cheesy fairground music and shitty rip off's of pop music. If that is what we should be calling hard house these days then i'd rather lot listen to it at all. frown

same
8 months ago
4D Meow
aphex_penn Pic1463 Posts
United Kingdom
In reply to
Ok, so there is obviously a massive split between what people consider to be Hard House.
It would seem (if the voices of 10 or so people are to be taken on board), that the scene is fragmenting even further into its own sub genres of sub genres.......which could either be good / bad, depends which way you look at it.

Out of interest - what do the people who think the new sound is crap, think of the older stuff like 'Lock N Load - Blow Ya Mind', 'DJ Jean - The Launch' etc etc.

That is all main stream 'cheese' too.....but never the less, still labelled as 'Hard House', which it is.

Don't you think the new stuff on Mix 2 is trying to capture that same vibe, just in an up to date way?

For me it was a different era entirely though....The Launch was released on MOS '99 compilations with Castles in the Sky and Zombie Nation, over 10 years ago. They were the songs you'd hear in the bars in Ibiza and Agia Napa before going clubbing back in the day...


Post edited by owner 11/10/2011 14:05:37
8 months ago
Socky
socky Pic3367 Posts
AustraliaBrisbane
Music Style Rave Music
scouse house is a bastard child of hard house tho? (albeit 'the one that escaped the morning after pill' bastard child)


No matter what pigeon hole you want to slot the mixes on the album into - mix1 is pure HH and mix2 is what the kids are listening to, in a way we should be glad tidy are still supporting the sound, it'd be very easy for them to drop it altogether and coin it in with a kutski & whitby album.
8 months ago
4D Meow
aphex_penn Pic1463 Posts
United Kingdom
Look let's cut to the chase, it's pretty obviousto everyone what is going on. In order for Tidy to function it needs to branch out and maintain it's current followings. Right now there is a calling for Scouse House, following the whole Crazy Frog explosion of 2003. laughing

The original Tidy segmented into different sub-labels and catered to different audiences/DJs.....Now the vinyl market has shrivelled up the only income has to be from Digi sales, compilations and event tickets.

What beggers belief is how you guys seem to have tainted you own product. Instead of trying to push a serious image for hard house and work it into major club nights or into some major clubs in a minor room, it's still being promoted as silly circus music. This also kills your Golden Geese (the die hards who keep scenes going)...

Anyone you mention hard house to, only knows about the bouncey crap, never about the quality stuff. I've played Dom's stuff to so many people and they say "Fuck I've never heard hard house like that", referring to the bouncy Wigan Pier stuff. People also say "I could listen to hh but not all night", yet there have been HH nights for 15 odd years now, proving that theory incorrect. But if their first experience with HH is bouncy scouse, why would they want to stand a whole night of it?

Just to add, 13-14 year old kids nowadays get into minimal/electro through deadmau5, dnb through Noisia etc.. Who does the biggest label in HH present as it's Saviour? Andy Whitby. Compared to other genres he's piss poor and the music isn't COOL. It's SILLY.  Silly went out of fashion years ago. People call music they like "fucking heavy", "sick", "massive".... how would you describe the tracks on CD 2? They are just silly and not cool.

That said, only Captain Hindsight would have seen this coming...... Sam and co are out there doing it so at the end of the day good luck to everyone involved in Tidy. Can't be easy, especially nowadays!!!!

Post edited by owner 11/10/2011 14:26:43
8 months ago
4D Meow
aphex_penn Pic1463 Posts
United Kingdom
Just to add, Kutski on Radio 1 was like a hallucination at the time but when it actually happened, instead of Hard House the show was hijacked by absolute crappy hardstyle and hard dance thumbsdown

Post edited by owner 11/10/2011 14:11:59
8 months ago
BEEZEE
beezee Pic530 Posts
EnglandMANCHESTER
Music Style HARD BOILED/ FINRG/ FREEFORM
ive only seen the tracky for disc 2 and i would definitely say it isnt hard house from the look of it, deffo a massive cheesey crusty foreskin of a CD/mix or whatever your gonna call it. Think there could have been many many other avenues that could have been explored in order to promote hard house on this scale, just looks pants and is everything i have begun to hate about the hard dance scene. Thank god for the farley mix i say as hes the only reason any true hard house fans would buy it smile
8 months ago
Ross Homson
rosshomson Pic3042 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard & Tech
It seems people on the Tidy board have the same opinions as most on here.
8 months ago
Hi Freak1c
hifreak1c Pic2228 Posts
United KingdomThe Town of unknown! SW
Music Style Some Horrible Noises
Why do we have to look back? We should be going forward not backwards and doing awful bootlegs and covers drive me insane. I'm the same as Ross I've not been out for years.

I remember Tidy used to bring out CD's once every blue moon now there seems to be one every week and it's crazy. I think CD1 is immense, but CD 2 is aimed for a different lot of people imo.
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
A different breed of people lol
8 months ago
Random But Raw / Brunitz
randombutraw Pic5758 Posts
EnglandLether
Music Style Stuff That's Nathan Lether
In reply to
Why do we have to look back? We should be going forward not backwards and doing awful bootlegs and covers drive me insane. I'm the same as Ross I've not been out for years.

I remember Tidy used to bring out CD's once every blue moon now there seems to be one every week and it's crazy. I think CD1 is immense, but CD 2 is aimed for a different lot of people imo.
Couldn't agree more. Fair enough, there's no harm in making a bootleg and playing it out (ask first and give a copy to the original artist), but to release them is not what the scene needs in the long run. Yes they sell well, but how long is this method going to keep up for? 

There is a distinct difference between cd 1 and 2. Cd 1 is Hardhouse, Cd2 is hard dance.


8 months ago
jukesy
jukesy Pic1895 Posts

Been listening to Farleys mix on spotify, love it!

8 months ago
Sam Townend
samtownend Pic318 Posts
Leeds Vegas
Music Style House Thats Hard
I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!
8 months ago
Ross Homson
rosshomson Pic3042 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard & Tech
In reply to
I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!
According to Tidy
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
In reply to
I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!
According to Tidy


according to about 5 dj's..laughing

Sam's post on Tidy..

  this is the music that people are reacting with and dancing to in the clubs. Nothing else seems to be cutting it at the moment (not counting Hardstyle or Hard Trance, which i personally don't play anyway)

It seems to be causing some debate from the 'purists', however i see this as 'hard House' of now - a hard representation of the house music thats big and current at the moment.

It not 'Traditional' by any stretch of the imagination, but imo thats a good thing, shows we re not just stuck in a rut of 10 years ago....


come on Samrolleyes


Post edited by owner 11/10/2011 15:58:18
8 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
In reply to
Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.
it would work if it was a tougher version of electro/fidget/minmal,etc
But imo its not, its taking them type of sounds and using them in hard dance tracks, at them bpms i dont think them sounds work personally, if the bpms were lowed and the groove was more house/techno based i think it would work.

Im all for a hard representation of the house music thats big and current at the moment thumbsup
but lets make it that without it been cheesy and silly


Post edited by owner 10/11/2011 4:08:10 PM
8 months ago
jukesy
jukesy Pic1895 Posts
I'd class mix 1 as the new sounds of hardhouse and mix 2 as hard dance personally. tounge
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
In reply to
Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.
it would work if it was a tougher version of electro/fidget/minmal,etc
But imo its not, its taking them type of sounds and using them in hard dance tracks, at them bpms i dont think them sounds work personally, if the bpms were lowed and the groove was more house/techno based i think it would work.


Keep them sounds away from, Hard House pweeese or im off.

Post edited by owner 11/10/2011 16:06:33
8 months ago
Ross Homson
rosshomson Pic3042 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard & Tech
In reply to
In reply to
Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.
it would work if it was a tougher version of electro/fidget/minmal,etc
But imo its not, its taking them type of sounds and using them in hard dance tracks, at them bpms i dont think them sounds work personally, if the bpms were lowed and the groove was more house/techno based i think it would work.

Im all for a hard representation of the house music thats big and current at the moment thumbsup
but lets make it that without it been cheesy and silly

I'm all for groove as opposed to silly electro noises
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.
it would work if it was a tougher version of electro/fidget/minmal,etc
But imo its not, its taking them type of sounds and using them in hard dance tracks, at them bpms i dont think them sounds work personally, if the bpms were lowed and the groove was more house/techno based i think it would work.

Im all for a hard representation of the house music thats big and current at the moment thumbsup
but lets make it that without it been cheesy and silly

I'm all for groove as opposed to silly electro noises

thumbsup
8 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
In reply to
In reply to
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Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.
it would work if it was a tougher version of electro/fidget/minmal,etc
But imo its not, its taking them type of sounds and using them in hard dance tracks, at them bpms i dont think them sounds work personally, if the bpms were lowed and the groove was more house/techno based i think it would work.


Keep them sounds away from, Hard House pweeese or im off.
i think it would work if it was approached from i more underground/serious angle
instead of the commercial side that its clearly aimed at!

Im all for new sounds, but for me it has to be done with a level of credibility

Post edited by owner 10/11/2011 4:16:59 PM
8 months ago
Hitch
13833 Posts
England
In reply to
surprised sams not very sly attempt at promo for this cd/mix asking a question he already knows the answer to has got so many reponses
thumbsup
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
Not getting the right kind of promo though is it. Becoming a bit of a joke.
8 months ago
DaveCurtis
1986 Posts
England
Music Style AWsum Caterpillar Music
the problem with the scene is that it is so split and you can't listen to various types of DJ like we all used to, and that is because the various forms of what used to be hard house are all so extreme that you have to like it to listen to it.

back in the day you had some funkier, sawtoothy tracks which would go down a storm because they retained that hard house element. the original techno influenced stuff really hit the spot at the time. ilogik and guyvers's epic hard trance tracks were perfectly acceptable for the same reason. the problem is that for the scene to 'progress', the styles got rinsed to fuck and everyone suddenly realised how shit half of it was.

to combat this, the various parts of the scene have pushed further and further on, taking in new sounds from other scenes and new production techniques/styles which are inherently not hard house - that is to say sawtooth basslines which are TOO gritty/nasty, crap wigan pier sounds which are TOO over the top, dubstep basslines of all the fucking things to try. hard house sounds are almost without exception (dom's trademark fx stabs might be the exception laughing) quite soft on the ear, even the biggest hoover riff by its nature is a mishmash of frequencies so while it might well be meaty as hell it is still easier to listen to physically than a lot of sounds.

it is simply the case that what has grown out of our scene has gone so far it is unacceptable to people who still love hard house for what it is

conversely hard house is now simply not anthemic enough for whatever reason (let's call it 'recognisable') for those who have either moved on, or come from hardstyle, or new to the scene.
8 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
In reply to
Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.


To be honest though that is not really the best equation to use, it's like saying that a rock track that happens to be quite heavy is a heavy metal tune, or a electro track with hoovers and synths in it is hardhouse etc.Here is something copied off wikipedia :  Generally, hard house is part of a wider group of styles called Hard Dance and has little in common with the modern trance or house scenes.


8 months ago
Hi Freak1c
hifreak1c Pic2228 Posts
United KingdomThe Town of unknown! SW
Music Style Some Horrible Noises
In reply to
I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!

Well if this is the case i'm offuhoh

Post edited by owner 10/11/2011 6:58:33 PM
8 months ago
Hi Freak1c
hifreak1c Pic2228 Posts
United KingdomThe Town of unknown! SW
Music Style Some Horrible Noises
In reply to
I'd class mix 1 as the new sounds of hardhouse and mix 2 as hard dance personally. tounge

That's hit the nail on the head thumbsup
8 months ago
Tarquin
jamieuk1999 Pic24928 Posts
FranceParis
Music Style Fabulous Darling
In reply to
In reply to
I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!

Well if this is the case i'm offuhoh
I'm confused as to why none of the big hard house djs are playing 'the new sound of hh', they're missing out.
8 months ago
Leon Allen
219 Posts
United KingdomMorecambe
Music Style Hard House how it should be

My say on this......

 

Cd 1 Hardhouse how it should be!!!!!biggrin The real sound off hardhousebiggrin

 

Cd 2 A Fucking Disgrace to be put even in the same bracket as hardhouse !!!!! angry New sound of hh my arseangry

 

Had to be said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to

My say on this......

 

Cd 1 Hardhouse how it should be!!!!!biggrin The real sound off hardhousebiggrin

 

Cd 2 A Fucking Disgrace to be put even in the same bracket as hardhouse !!!!! angry New sound of hh my arseangry

 

Had to be said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

laughing
8 months ago
kernowcoad
kernowcoad Pic81 Posts
United Kingdomst austell/cornwall
Music Style hard house/techno
In reply to
I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!

years ago tracks in the charts that were bootlegged re-worked or whatever were house tracks, thats why it was called hard house ,house that is hard, but there is no  quality house in the charts so whats being done these days is hard electro hard fridget or hard dub (fucking joke). cd 2 or mix 2 aint even hard dance imo its hard chart music. hard dance was a crossover of hard house and hard trance back in the day,but mix 2 has nothing in it except scouse and gash. may be tidy boys knew this was coming and got out quick so they wouldnt be associeted with it.
8 months ago
Ross Homson
rosshomson Pic3042 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard & Tech
In reply to
In reply to
I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!

years ago tracks in the charts that were bootlegged re-worked or whatever were house tracks, thats why it was called hard house ,house that is hard, but there is no  quality house in the charts so whats being done these days is hard electro hard fridget or hard dub (fucking joke). cd 2 or mix 2 aint even hard dance imo its hard chart music. hard dance was a crossover of hard house and hard trance back in the day,but mix 2 has nothing in it except scouse and gash. may be tidy boys knew this was coming and got out quick so they wouldnt be associeted with it.
I blame all this cheesy 'fun' fairground music on them anyway that added with their silly pointless intros and  the whole 'being random' bollocks that has been associated with hard house uhoh
8 months ago
Danny Evo
DannyEvo Pic3314 Posts
WalesNorth Wales
Music Style Hard House - Drum & Bass
laughing this place hasn't changed one bit 
8 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!

years ago tracks in the charts that were bootlegged re-worked or whatever were house tracks, thats why it was called hard house ,house that is hard, but there is no  quality house in the charts so whats being done these days is hard electro hard fridget or hard dub (fucking joke). cd 2 or mix 2 aint even hard dance imo its hard chart music. hard dance was a crossover of hard house and hard trance back in the day,but mix 2 has nothing in it except scouse and gash. may be tidy boys knew this was coming and got out quick so they wouldnt be associeted with it.
I blame all this cheesy 'fun' fairground music on them anyway that added with their silly pointless intros and  the whole 'being random' bollocks that has been associated with hard house uhoh

ha ha and he's off!! As random as thy are i bet you a tenner they wouldnt want to be associated with that shite
8 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
In reply to
I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!
According to who?People dancing to it at a hardhouse night does not make it hardhouse.You could play a trance tune at a HH night and people will dance to it but that does not make it  hardhouse

Post edited by owner 10/11/2011 7:49:46 PM
8 months ago
Chris
dunny Pic4558 Posts
United Kingdom
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!

years ago tracks in the charts that were bootlegged re-worked or whatever were house tracks, thats why it was called hard house ,house that is hard, but there is no  quality house in the charts so whats being done these days is hard electro hard fridget or hard dub (fucking joke). cd 2 or mix 2 aint even hard dance imo its hard chart music. hard dance was a crossover of hard house and hard trance back in the day,but mix 2 has nothing in it except scouse and gash. may be tidy boys knew this was coming and got out quick so they wouldnt be associeted with it.
I blame all this cheesy 'fun' fairground music on them anyway that added with their silly pointless intros and  the whole 'being random' bollocks that has been associated with hard house uhoh
I disagree, the fun and random element of the 1st few weekenders and nights was what got me so hooked into HH. After all isn't a night out meant to be fun? IMO the weekenders and HH nights in general started to go down the pan when all the 'try hards' started showing up and standing around looking cool thumbsdown
8 months ago
Chris
dunny Pic4558 Posts
United Kingdom
That said CD2 is garbage.
8 months ago
Ross Homson
rosshomson Pic3042 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard & Tech
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!

years ago tracks in the charts that were bootlegged re-worked or whatever were house tracks, thats why it was called hard house ,house that is hard, but there is no  quality house in the charts so whats being done these days is hard electro hard fridget or hard dub (fucking joke). cd 2 or mix 2 aint even hard dance imo its hard chart music. hard dance was a crossover of hard house and hard trance back in the day,but mix 2 has nothing in it except scouse and gash. may be tidy boys knew this was coming and got out quick so they wouldnt be associeted with it.
I blame all this cheesy 'fun' fairground music on them anyway that added with their silly pointless intros and  the whole 'being random' bollocks that has been associated with hard house uhoh
I disagree, the fun and random element of the 1st few weekenders and nights was what got me so hooked into HH. After all isn't a night out meant to be fun? IMO the weekenders and HH nights in general started to go down the pan when all the 'try hards' started showing up and standing around looking cool thumbsdown
There's having fun and then there's going out dressed as a tin of Spam
8 months ago
kernowcoad
kernowcoad Pic81 Posts
United Kingdomst austell/cornwall
Music Style hard house/techno
laughingIn reply to
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In reply to
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I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!

years ago tracks in the charts that were bootlegged re-worked or whatever were house tracks, thats why it was called hard house ,house that is hard, but there is no  quality house in the charts so whats being done these days is hard electro hard fridget or hard dub (fucking joke). cd 2 or mix 2 aint even hard dance imo its hard chart music. hard dance was a crossover of hard house and hard trance back in the day,but mix 2 has nothing in it except scouse and gash. may be tidy boys knew this was coming and got out quick so they wouldnt be associeted with it.
I blame all this cheesy 'fun' fairground music on them anyway that added with their silly pointless intros and  the whole 'being random' bollocks that has been associated with hard house uhoh
I disagree, the fun and random element of the 1st few weekenders and nights was what got me so hooked into HH. After all isn't a night out meant to be fun? IMO the weekenders and HH nights in general started to go down the pan when all the 'try hards' started showing up and standing around looking cool thumbsdown
There's having fun and then there's going out dressed as a tin of Spam
laughinglaughinglaughing
8 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
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I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!

years ago tracks in the charts that were bootlegged re-worked or whatever were house tracks, thats why it was called hard house ,house that is hard, but there is no  quality house in the charts so whats being done these days is hard electro hard fridget or hard dub (fucking joke). cd 2 or mix 2 aint even hard dance imo its hard chart music. hard dance was a crossover of hard house and hard trance back in the day,but mix 2 has nothing in it except scouse and gash. may be tidy boys knew this was coming and got out quick so they wouldnt be associeted with it.
I blame all this cheesy 'fun' fairground music on them anyway that added with their silly pointless intros and  the whole 'being random' bollocks that has been associated with hard house uhoh
miserable git! laughing
8 months ago
Dolewaller
7718 Posts
United KingdomLeeds
Music Style Your taxes, my booze.
For the love of flying fuck.

CD2 is NOT bastarding Hard House. It lends some elements from Hard House but there is also elements from Dubstep, Hard Trance and that shitty commercial clubland cheese in certain tracks too.

What happens when you combine genres? You get a fucking mash up of genres. Not a fucking new direction of a genre its barely lending from.

/thread.


Post edited by owner 11/10/2011 21:07:27
8 months ago
Dolewaller
7718 Posts
United KingdomLeeds
Music Style Your taxes, my booze.
just to reiterate, since when does this define as Hard House?

(this is from the album)


uhoh


Post edited by owner 11/10/2011 21:14:54
8 months ago
Tarquin
jamieuk1999 Pic24928 Posts
FranceParis
Music Style Fabulous Darling
only just got round to listening to the samples...sounds more like hardcore than hard house
8 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
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only just got round to listening to the samples...sounds more like hardcore than hard house
cd1 is defo hardhouse.Have not quite figured out what style of music cd2 is yet
8 months ago
Cilla Battersby
daveclarke Pic21836 Posts
United KingdomWorcester
Music Style Techno
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just to reiterate, since when does this define as Hard House?

(this is from the album)


uhoh


sounds like a ppor attempt at adagios for strings, the tiesto brand remix.
8 months ago
Ross Homson
rosshomson Pic3042 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard & Tech
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just to reiterate, since when does this define as Hard House?

(this is from the album)


uhoh


sounds like a ppor attempt at adagios for strings, the tiesto brand remix.
Scrapyard?? more like Scrapheap Challenge
8 months ago
1337
1337 Pic8908 Posts
New ZealandWellington
Music Style Party Music
It wasn't hardhouse but I admit I kind of liked it laughing
8 months ago
Sam
SAMGREEN Pic2216 Posts
United KingdomChester
Music Style Hard House
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I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!

years ago tracks in the charts that were bootlegged re-worked or whatever were house tracks, thats why it was called hard house ,house that is hard, but there is no  quality house in the charts so whats being done these days is hard electro hard fridget or hard dub (fucking joke). cd 2 or mix 2 aint even hard dance imo its hard chart music. hard dance was a crossover of hard house and hard trance back in the day,but mix 2 has nothing in it except scouse and gash. may be tidy boys knew this was coming and got out quick so they wouldnt be associeted with it.
I blame all this cheesy 'fun' fairground music on them anyway that added with their silly pointless intros and  the whole 'being random' bollocks that has been associated with hard house uhoh
I disagree, the fun and random element of the 1st few weekenders and nights was what got me so hooked into HH. After all isn't a night out meant to be fun? IMO the weekenders and HH nights in general started to go down the pan when all the 'try hards' started showing up and standing around looking cool thumbsdown
There's having fun and then there's going out dressed as a tin of Spam
that made me lol yawn
8 months ago
Ross Homson
rosshomson Pic3042 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard & Tech


We've all seen the culprit!!!!!
7 months ago
Tom Payne
tman Pic7196 Posts
IrelandRacoon City
Music Style Anything goes.../Hard-Dub
In reply to
laughinglaughing Is this still going on?
It'll keep going on until Sam admits that CD2 isn't hard house

I hate the term hard dance as much as I hate the drivel on CD 2, so I'm all for calling it that!
7 months ago
Venkman
venkmans Pic3342 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard House With a Groove & a Chuckle
Ross has made me laughing on a few occasions whilst reading through this thread...

I like the look of CD 1 (obviously) but I'll have to have a listen to some of the stuff on CD 2 before adding my 2 penneths worth.

biggrin
7 months ago
Venkman
venkmans Pic3342 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard House With a Groove & a Chuckle
Also - Gaz has been surprisingly articulate & I have found myself agreeing with him.  That scares me laughing
7 months ago
Hoover slut
adamnrg Pic22669 Posts
East TimorSouthend
Music Style Nasty As Fuck
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I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!

years ago tracks in the charts that were bootlegged re-worked or whatever were house tracks, thats why it was called hard house ,house that is hard, but there is no  quality house in the charts so whats being done these days is hard electro hard fridget or hard dub (fucking joke). cd 2 or mix 2 aint even hard dance imo its hard chart music. hard dance was a crossover of hard house and hard trance back in the day,but mix 2 has nothing in it except scouse and gash. may be tidy boys knew this was coming and got out quick so they wouldnt be associeted with it.
I blame all this cheesy 'fun' fairground music on them anyway that added with their silly pointless intros and  the whole 'being random' bollocks that has been associated with hard house uhoh
I disagree, the fun and random element of the 1st few weekenders and nights was what got me so hooked into HH. After all isn't a night out meant to be fun? IMO the weekenders and HH nights in general started to go down the pan when all the 'try hards' started showing up and standing around looking cool thumbsdown
There's having fun and then there's going out dressed as a tin of Spam

Fucking LOL! Ive just spat my drink everywhere reading that yawnyawnyawn
7 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4574 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
Not listened to it yet but, fuck me; all this petty arguing over what specific sub genre of 4/4 dance music something may or may not be makes me fucking lol laughing

No wonder the vast majority of people have fucked off; they're too busy listening to/making music they like rather than this partaking in this shit thumbsup
7 months ago
helipad
9500 Posts
United Kingdom
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Not listened to it yet but, fuck me; all this petty arguing over what specific sub genre of 4/4 dance music something may or may not be makes me fucking lol laughing

No wonder the vast majority of people have fucked off; they're too busy listening to/making music they like rather than this partaking in this shit thumbsup

Ive read some of this and I see a debate not a petty squabble. 
7 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
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Not listened to it yet but, fuck me; all this petty arguing over what specific sub genre of 4/4 dance music something may or may not be makes me fucking lol laughing

No wonder the vast majority of people have fucked off; they're too busy listening to/making music they like rather than this partaking in this shit thumbsup

Ive read some of this and I see a debate not a petty squabble. 

thumbsup pretty sure most who have commented in this thread 'partake' in it anywaysrolleyes

 

Haha Venks, i have my moments, not every often thoughlaughing

7 months ago
Gem Stone (Raw Power)
2375 Posts
United KingdomWrexham
Music Style Erratic Tango
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Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.



Since when have you ever heard someone asking for more dutch house and bassline in their hard house track...? CD2 is awful and not hard house... stop trying to make it house that is hard and have some proper no nonsense hard house... completely different genre...
7 months ago
Hitch
13833 Posts
England
What do they say about any publicity......laughing
7 months ago
Venkman
VENKMANS Pic3342 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard House With a Groove & a Chuckle
Tidy do have to try & make money though, surely this has to be taken into consideration?  At least they've done a Farley mix as well, which we all enjoy! thumbsup
7 months ago
Hitch
13833 Posts
England
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Tidy do have to try & make money though, surely this has to be taken into consideration?  At least they've done a Farley mix as well, which we all enjoy! thumbsup
I think it was the "new sound of hardhouse" bit that got everyone talking you fucking gheyerscrewu
7 months ago
helipad
9500 Posts
United Kingdom
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Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.



G

It annoys me when some NRG is put under the hard house label,  when it is quite clearly far from being hard house.

7 months ago
Hitch
13833 Posts
England
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Fairy muff - you Yorkshire prick duncescrewu
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7 months ago
Dolewaller
7718 Posts
United KingdomLeeds
Music Style Your taxes, my booze.
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Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.



G

It annoys me when some NRG is put under the hard house label,  when it is quite clearly far from being hard house.


Yes but to be fair its a lot harder for non Hard House fans to be able to differentiate between HH and NRG as they do sound very similar to people not familiar with the scene. I myself couldn't tell the difference between the two a few year back until I recognised the trademark differences. Labelling the cheesy clubland bounce donk electro dubtastic nonsense as HH is just an insult though.
7 months ago
helipad
9500 Posts
United Kingdom
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Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.



G

It annoys me when some NRG is put under the hard house label,  when it is quite clearly far from being hard house.


Yes but to be fair its a lot harder for non Hard House fans to be able to differentiate between HH and NRG as they do sound very similar to people not familiar with the scene. I myself couldn't tell the difference between the two a few year back until I recognised the trademark differences. Labelling the cheesy clubland bounce donk electro dubtastic nonsense as HH is just an insult though.

Yeah, but im talking about producers in the scene who call there "filth" hard house.  laughing
7 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
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Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.



G

It annoys me when some NRG is put under the hard house label,  when it is quite clearly far from being hard house.


Yes but to be fair its a lot harder for non Hard House fans to be able to differentiate between HH and NRG as they do sound very similar to people not familiar with the scene. I myself couldn't tell the difference between the two a few year back until I recognised the trademark differences. Labelling the cheesy clubland bounce donk electro dubtastic nonsense as HH is just an insult though.

Yeah, but im talking about producers in the scene who call there "filth" hard house.  laughing
who would call there music 'filth', it's almost as silly as calling cd2 'hard house' laughing
7 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
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Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.



G

It annoys me when some NRG is put under the hard house label,  when it is quite clearly far from being hard house.


Yes but to be fair its a lot harder for non Hard House fans to be able to differentiate between HH and NRG as they do sound very similar to people not familiar with the scene. I myself couldn't tell the difference between the two a few year back until I recognised the trademark differences. Labelling the cheesy clubland bounce donk electro dubtastic nonsense as HH is just an insult though.

Yeah, but im talking about producers in the scene who call there "filth" hard house.  laughing
who would call there music 'filth', it's almost as silly as calling cd2 'hard house' laughing
lots of people do acutally laughing
7 months ago
Steve Marwood
marwood83 Pic5 Posts
Folkestone
Music Style Hard House
I could not really see the point in the album, there were so many quality true hard house mixes going about in conjunction with HHH which in my opinion are an awful lot better but maybe thats just me. Each to their own I suppose
7 months ago
John Reilly
jpr Pic514 Posts
IrelandMullingar
Music Style Hardhouse
In reply to
I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!


Well if cd2 is the new sounds of hardhouse the scene is fucked, because its complete crap.

Please dont label cd 2 hardhouse, because it is not.

7 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
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Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.



G

It annoys me when some NRG is put under the hard house label,  when it is quite clearly far from being hard house.


Yes but to be fair its a lot harder for non Hard House fans to be able to differentiate between HH and NRG as they do sound very similar to people not familiar with the scene. I myself couldn't tell the difference between the two a few year back until I recognised the trademark differences. Labelling the cheesy clubland bounce donk electro dubtastic nonsense as HH is just an insult though.

Yeah, but im talking about producers in the scene who call there "filth" hard house.  laughing
who would call there music 'filth', it's almost as silly as calling cd2 'hard house' laughing
lots of people do acutally laughing
I know they do but still come on
7 months ago
Digital Mafia
560 Posts
United KingdomLeeds
Music Style Hard House FUNk
I think it represents the scene as a whole and the whole album has something for everyone. If you listen to house music that is about now then this is definitely House music that is hard I personally like the new sounds of Hard House it's sounding fresh and up to date just what the scene needs!
7 months ago
Random But Raw / Brunitz
randombutraw Pic5758 Posts
EnglandLether
Music Style Stuff That's Nathan Lether
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Thats exactly the point though, its not meant to sound like House music we grew up listening too, its meant to sound like House music that's about now. Taking direct influence from the current sounds of Electro, House, Dutch House, Bassline..... whatever sub genre you want to call it. It's a hard version of music that's about at the moment -  hence why it is , really, Hard House.



G

It annoys me when some NRG is put under the hard house label,  when it is quite clearly far from being hard house.


Yes but to be fair its a lot harder for non Hard House fans to be able to differentiate between HH and NRG as they do sound very similar to people not familiar with the scene. I myself couldn't tell the difference between the two a few year back until I recognised the trademark differences. Labelling the cheesy clubland bounce donk electro dubtastic nonsense as HH is just an insult though.

Yeah, but im talking about producers in the scene who call there "filth" hard house.  laughing
Yeah I tend to call the gritty ,hardhouse influenced NRG, 'filth'. Not really a sub genre, just a another to describe it laughing
7 months ago
Steve The Doer
706 Posts
USASan Francisco/East Bay
Music Style Ambient Donkstep Fused Mariachicore
I always thought 'Hard Dance' was an umbrella term to describe the subgenres like Hard House, UK/German Hard Trance, Hardstyle, Tech Dance, Hard Techno, Schranz, NRG, Hard Bounce, etc....then of course thats when you have Scott Attrill, Anne Savage, BK labeling this new style of theirs as "Hard Dance". It's been going on for about 2-3 years now (correct me if I'm wrong) and this new labeling is giving a new meaning to Hard Dance, which makes things even more complicated if you like to label genres/sub genres uhoh

My point is, if Hard Dance is an umbrella term, then why are you going to label a sub genre, the umbrella term? But when I think to myself, there's no rule to it really, is there?


On a positive note, at least there is Tom Parr's Chronic Gin N Tonic and Tom Berry - Respect The Old Skool on CD 2.  smile
7 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
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I think it represents the scene as a whole and the whole album has something for everyone. If you listen to house music that is about now then this is definitely House music that is hard I personally like the new sounds of Hard House it's sounding fresh and up to date just what the scene needs!
But it's not hardhouse ffs.Some of it does not even have 4x4 beats so it's not even house music nevermind hardhouse.How is it sounding upto date?IT sounds like shitty hardcore from donkeys years ago
7 months ago
Gem Stone (Raw Power)
2375 Posts
United KingdomWrexham
Music Style Erratic Tango
I bet sam wishes he never asked now wink haha
7 months ago
John Reilly
jpr Pic514 Posts
IrelandMullingar
Music Style Hardhouse
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I always thought 'Hard Dance' was an umbrella term to describe the subgenres like Hard House, UK/German Hard Trance, Hardstyle, Tech Dance, Hard Techno, Schranz, NRG, Hard Bounce, etc....then of course thats when you have Scott Attrill, Anne Savage, BK labeling this new style of theirs as "Hard Dance". It's been going on for about 2-3 years now (correct me if I'm wrong) and this new labeling is giving a new meaning to Hard Dance, which makes things even more complicated if you like to label genres/sub genres uhoh

My point is, if Hard Dance is an umbrella term, then why are you going to label a sub genre, the umbrella term? But when I think to myself, there's no rule to it really, is there?


On a positive note, at least there is Tom Parr's Chronic Gin N Tonic and Tom Berry - Respect The Old Skool on CD 2.  smile


The term harddance has been used longer than 2/3 years, It's been used since  about 2002/ 2003 when the sound changed.

Never liked the term harddance since i first heard it back then, Hardhouse was always taged as harddance back then and i always thought it sounded cheap and cheesy, Just like most of the music associated with it today.

7 months ago
Socky
socky Pic3367 Posts
AustraliaBrisbane
Music Style Rave Music
They came up with hard dance as a label to sell cds and djs when the hard house label became uncool - its a bullshit term from word go
7 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing
7 months ago
Steve The Doer
706 Posts
USASan Francisco/East Bay
Music Style Ambient Donkstep Fused Mariachicore
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The term harddance has been used longer than 2/3 years, It's been used since  about 2002/ 2003 when the sound changed.

Never liked the term harddance since i first heard it back then, Hardhouse was always taged as harddance back then and i always thought it sounded cheap and cheesy, Just like most of the music associated with it today.



I know, I just thought that Hard Dance was an umbrella term for the harder genres/subgenres, which I think it is. That's why the whole Scott Attrill/BK thing got me confused, why name what was supposed to be a sub genre of Hard Dance, the umbrella term... (being Hard Dance). But that's my perspective I guess. Some of you might be wondering, and yes, you're right. I am indeed leaning towards the Kutski boat about the 'Hard Dance' term. screwu


Which brings up another sub topic: Tidy Hard Dance Anthems 2010 uhoh






7 months ago
Andy Graves
Viciousandy Pic4574 Posts
United KingdomReading
Music Style Hard stomping boshing twisted grooves
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing
7 months ago
Max
madmax Pic22729 Posts
EnglandBangkok
Music Style Hard Disco House
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I bet sam wishes he never asked now wink haha

no such thing as bad press
7 months ago
Danny Evo
DannyEvo Pic3314 Posts
WalesNorth Wales
Music Style Hard House - Drum & Bass
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup
7 months ago
Cycle 13
pr1cer Pic7173 Posts
Virgin Islands (U.S.)Hereford
Music Style Slosh-step
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
7 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

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Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really

Post edited by owner 10/13/2011 6:01:48 PM
7 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
Haha you  hypocrit, you've been throwing your ten pence in on the first few pages. Seen you moaning in tons of other posts about similar stuff.

Post edited by owner 13/10/2011 18:44:01
7 months ago
Cycle 13
pr1cer Pic7173 Posts
Virgin Islands (U.S.)Hereford
Music Style Slosh-step
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really

Sam asked the question 'Do you think it represents 'Hard House' properly?'  Hence people explaining why they don't feel it fits the hard house genre.

Call it petty if you like but I'll call you a dumb cunt for missing the point of the thread.
7 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really

Sam asked the question 'Do you think it represents 'Hard House' properly?'  Hence people explaining why they don't feel it fits the hard house genre.

Call it petty if you like but I'll call you a dumb cunt for missing the point of the thread.

laughing
7 months ago
Hitch
13833 Posts
England
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really

Sam asked the question 'Do you think it represents 'Hard House' properly?'  Hence people explaining why they don't feel it fits the hard house genre.

Call it petty if you like but I'll call you a dumb cunt for missing the point of the thread.
yawn
7 months ago
Norris
norris Pic8062 Posts
EnglandYork
Music Style Hard House
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7 months ago
kernowcoad
kernowcoad Pic81 Posts
United Kingdomst austell/cornwall
Music Style hard house/techno
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Haha you  hypocrit, you've been throwing your ten pence in on the first few pages. Seen you moaning in tons of other posts about similar stuff.

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7 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

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Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really
how is it being petty?He asked for our opinions and we gave them.Why should we just roll over when someone is telling us that  'this is the new sound of hardhouse'  when some of  it clearly is not even house music,  never mind hardhouse


Post edited by owner 10/13/2011 9:14:42 PM
7 months ago
Dolewaller
7718 Posts
United KingdomLeeds
Music Style Your taxes, my booze.
Lets face it, CD2 is proper Hard House and good fucking Hard House at that. thumbsup
Most of the tunes are on par with tracks like the dawn, hoovertime, bomb style, make it happen and vacuum packed IMO. thumbsupthumbsup
7 months ago
Ross Homson
rosshomson Pic3042 Posts
United KingdomManchester
Music Style Hard & Tech
We all know that if Tony was still alive today he would be playing the stuff on mix2 thumbsup
7 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
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Haha you  hypocrit, you've been throwing your ten pence in on the first few pages. Seen you moaning in tons of other posts about similar stuff.
haha i was trying to put a proper point across instead of just saying its not hard house, it shit blah blah
7 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really
how is it being petty?He asked for our opinions and we gave them.Why should we just roll over when someone is telling us that  'this is the new sound of hardhouse'  when some of  it clearly is not even house music,  never mind hardhouse

its people reactions that are petty

its ONE fucking mix, who gives a fuck! if it was a cd album in hmv then fair do's
7 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really
how is it being petty?He asked for our opinions and we gave them.Why should we just roll over when someone is telling us that  'this is the new sound of hardhouse'  when some of  it clearly is not even house music,  never mind hardhouse

its people reactions that are petty

its ONE fucking mix, who gives a fuck! if it was a cd album in hmv then fair do's
well obviously some people do.I believe that people being told that cd2 is the new sound of hardhouse is what annoyed the majority of them, me included.It has nothing to do with being petty it's what you call being passionate
7 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really
how is it being petty?He asked for our opinions and we gave them.Why should we just roll over when someone is telling us that  'this is the new sound of hardhouse'  when some of  it clearly is not even house music,  never mind hardhouse

its people reactions that are petty

its ONE fucking mix, who gives a fuck! if it was a cd album in hmv then fair do's

Oh pipe down you geek you dont sound coool, you sound like a stupid child trying to be different. Your thinking same as everybody else despite what your putting on here.
7 months ago
Gaz Gibson
gazgibson Pic7794 Posts
Norfolk IslandWIGAN
Music Style ard ooooose
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really
how is it being petty?He asked for our opinions and we gave them.Why should we just roll over when someone is telling us that  'this is the new sound of hardhouse'  when some of  it clearly is not even house music,  never mind hardhouse

its people reactions that are petty

its ONE fucking mix, who gives a fuck! if it was a cd album in hmv then fair do's
well obviously some people do.I believe that people being told that cd2 is the new sound of hardhouse is what annoyed the majority of them, me included.It has nothing to do with being petty it's what you call being passionate

Or common sense.
7 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really
how is it being petty?He asked for our opinions and we gave them.Why should we just roll over when someone is telling us that  'this is the new sound of hardhouse'  when some of  it clearly is not even house music,  never mind hardhouse

its people reactions that are petty

its ONE fucking mix, who gives a fuck! if it was a cd album in hmv then fair do's

Oh pipe down you geek you dont sound coool, you sound like a stupid child trying to be different. Your thinking same as everybody else despite what your putting on here.
geek? come up with some better insults mate! laughing
is that sooo? why the fuck would i bother writing otherwise?
7 months ago
1337
1337 Pic8908 Posts
New ZealandWellington
Music Style Party Music
Steroids vs Suspenders
7 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really
how is it being petty?He asked for our opinions and we gave them.Why should we just roll over when someone is telling us that  'this is the new sound of hardhouse'  when some of  it clearly is not even house music,  never mind hardhouse

its people reactions that are petty

its ONE fucking mix, who gives a fuck! if it was a cd album in hmv then fair do's

Oh pipe down you geek you dont sound coool, you sound like a stupid child trying to be different. Your thinking same as everybody else despite what your putting on here.
geek? come up with some better insults mate! laughing
is that sooo? why the fuck would i bother writing otherwise?
To be fair he could of said a lot worse.We all know that you included does not seriously believe that it is hardhouse.The difference being we have a pair of balls to say something unlike you

Post edited by owner 10/14/2011 6:56:59 AM
7 months ago
Steve The Doer
706 Posts
USASan Francisco/East Bay
Music Style Ambient Donkstep Fused Mariachicore
It would be the same as saying: Skrillex isn't dubstep (for the dubstep purists with the likes of Loefah, DJ Madd, Von D etc)


Same goes for house purists who claim that Swedish House Mafia or Afrojack isn't real house.




It goes for many other genres other than Hard House.

Post edited by owner 10/14/2011 7:21:25 AM
7 months ago
Liz Macdonald
russeing Pic1783 Posts
United KingdomCombine Harvester Country
Music Style Hard House/Nrg, Electronic.
listened to cd 1 on spotify its class, cd 2 not much really in my opinion.
7 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
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listened to cd 1 on spotify its class, cd 2 not much really in my opinion.
agreed cd1 is the shizzle
That's because andy farley was asked to do a hardhouse mix and that's what he did
7 months ago
Tarquin
jamieuk1999 Pic24928 Posts
FranceParis
Music Style Fabulous Darling
this sam townend blokey should be ashamed of himself.
7 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really
how is it being petty?He asked for our opinions and we gave them.Why should we just roll over when someone is telling us that  'this is the new sound of hardhouse'  when some of  it clearly is not even house music,  never mind hardhouse

its people reactions that are petty

its ONE fucking mix, who gives a fuck! if it was a cd album in hmv then fair do's

Oh pipe down you geek you dont sound coool, you sound like a stupid child trying to be different. Your thinking same as everybody else despite what your putting on here.
geek? come up with some better insults mate! laughing
is that sooo? why the fuck would i bother writing otherwise?
To be fair he could of said a lot worse.We all know that you included does not seriously believe that it is hardhouse.The difference being we have a pair of balls to say something unlike you
balls? lol speaking out on a fourm is hardly having balls tbh!
7 months ago
Sam Townend
samtownend Pic318 Posts
Leeds Vegas
Music Style House Thats Hard
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this sam townend blokey should be ashamed of himself.
LOL

I've obviously ruined the entire Hard House scene in one foul swoop.
7 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really
how is it being petty?He asked for our opinions and we gave them.Why should we just roll over when someone is telling us that  'this is the new sound of hardhouse'  when some of  it clearly is not even house music,  never mind hardhouse

its people reactions that are petty

its ONE fucking mix, who gives a fuck! if it was a cd album in hmv then fair do's

Oh pipe down you geek you dont sound coool, you sound like a stupid child trying to be different. Your thinking same as everybody else despite what your putting on here.
geek? come up with some better insults mate! laughing
is that sooo? why the fuck would i bother writing otherwise?
To be fair he could of said a lot worse.We all know that you included does not seriously believe that it is hardhouse.The difference being we have a pair of balls to say something unlike you
balls? lol speaking out on a fourm is hardly having balls tbh!
it is when it involves telling the label manager of tidy trax.That's why I believe some people have agreed with him on that principle alone
7 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3015 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
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i think some of you are WAYYY to bothered about this! laughing

My point exactly.  Arguing over dance music sub-genres lol laughing

thumbsup

Nowt wrong with being passionate about something you like thumbsup
theres been passionate and then theres been petty as fuck!
Arguing over names, what is this school play ground? laughing
its one mix on one website, doesnt mean anything really
how is it being petty?He asked for our opinions and we gave them.Why should we just roll over when someone is telling us that  'this is the new sound of hardhouse'  when some of  it clearly is not even house music,  never mind hardhouse

its people reactions that are petty

its ONE fucking mix, who gives a fuck! if it was a cd album in hmv then fair do's

Oh pipe down you geek you dont sound coool, you sound like a stupid child trying to be different. Your thinking same as everybody else despite what your putting on here.
geek? come up with some better insults mate! laughing
is that sooo? why the fuck would i bother writing otherwise?
To be fair he could of said a lot worse.We all know that you included does not seriously believe that it is hardhouse.The difference being we have a pair of balls to say something unlike you
balls? lol speaking out on a fourm is hardly having balls tbh!
it is when it involves telling the label manager of tidy trax.That's why I believe some people have agreed with him on that principle alone
LOL! laughing
7 months ago
Pero
262 Posts
United KingdomLondon
Music Style Hard Banging Shit
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I'm even more confused now! You say look forwards and not back....this is exactly what CD2 is representing! New sounds!

CD01 is the classic HH sound, represented by the best (imo) HH DJ on the scene.
CD02 is the new sound of HH.

Yes there are Covers of some well known tracks on there.....but the majority of classic 'Hard House' tracks are covers / rip off / re-work of something else anyway!


Well if cd2 is the new sounds of hardhouse the scene is fucked, because its complete crap.

Please dont label cd 2 hardhouse, because it is not.



You said it.


7 months ago
Max
madmax Pic22729 Posts
EnglandBangkok
Music Style Hard Disco House
In reply to
Steroids vs Suspenders

fucking lollaughing
7 months ago
Dolewaller
7718 Posts
United KingdomLeeds
Music Style Your taxes, my booze.
In reply to
It would be the same as saying: Skrillex isn't dubstep (for the dubstep purists with the likes of Loefah, DJ Madd, Von D etc)


Same goes for house purists who claim that Swedish House Mafia or Afrojack isn't real house.




It goes for many other genres other than Hard House.

Wrong. It's a completely different principle.
Dubstep is a very diverse genre which has room for tons of different elements. Hard House is a defined sound and CD2 does not have that sound.
Skrillex produces Dubstep, no doubt about that - people who are saying it isn't "real" Dubstep are the Dubstep enthusiasts who hate his sound and dislike progression within the scene and/or dislike the fact that he often accommodates for a wider audience. The HHH CD2 however is not Hard House at all - it's not an example of progression but is an example of a combination of genres.
7 months ago
Jacko
gnasher Pic7117 Posts
EnglandMehville
Music Style Deep Field
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The HHH CD2 however is not Hard House at all - it's not an example of progression but is an example of a combination of genres.

Spot on.
7 months ago
Steve The Doer
706 Posts
USASan Francisco/East Bay
Music Style Ambient Donkstep Fused Mariachicore
In reply to Dubstep enthusiasts who hate his sound and dislike progression within the scene and/or dislike the fact that he often accommodates for a wider audience.




sound awfully familiar innit? tounge
7 months ago
Dolewaller
7718 Posts
United KingdomLeeds
Music Style Your taxes, my booze.
When you take that particular section of my paragraph and use it as a stand-alone point then yes, it does sound familiar. However both me and you know full well that you are twisting my words to suit your argument and when you read my statement as a whole, it portrays the exact opposite opinion.
7 months ago
Gem Stone (Raw Power)
2375 Posts
United KingdomWrexham
Music Style Erratic Tango
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this sam townend blokey should be ashamed of himself.
LOL

I've obviously ruined the entire Hard House scene in one foul swoop.

You said it... Well done Sam! thumbsuplaughing
7 months ago
Gopal
1936 Posts
New ZealandAuckland
Music Style Doof Doof
I blame the pikeys!
7 months ago
Graham House
graham19 Pic3287 Posts
SeychellesLeeds
Music Style House style
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I blame the pikeys!
anybody wanna buy a dag

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