Question about Trade

How fast did music get in Trade in its heyday?

naaa twist got pretty hard towards the end back in the day. Toned down quite a bit from what i read. Some were moaning that its 10-15 bpm slower than what it should be.

I think Wardman used to get pretty quick towards the end. That's when you want it quick though.

Yeah I meant at the end soz chap 

Some of the Trade CDs are pretty fast paced mind!

I started going from about 96. the music used to build up throughout the morning and take you on an all- mighty journey, used to be pretty banging Especially from TDV, Ian M and EJ Doubell.
When trade was in full throttle, especially at Turnmills, there was no place like it.

How quick do you think by the laat couple of hours Kaye? 160+ ? Sorry, not obssessed by BPM of hard house lol Am just curious as, as I say, some of the tracks I hear mentioned at way passed 155BPM on zero% pitch, so it must have been cranking by the end of the morn

deffo over 160 mate i hear of Ian M going upwards of 165!!

Lol I'd say some of them yes, it must have been pretty fast, 155ish. Some of Ian M's sets were brutal, real head down arse up.

Brilliant lol Gaz> I have a mixmag from about 1999ish where Ian M had been on after Fergie at Sundissential North, and they labelled him "+8 technichian" as I believe he had maxed Are you All Ready haha That was Sundis. Can only imagine what Trade was like with some of those Noom, Bonzai etc tracks around at that time

It was brilliant Goose, I loved it so much. Was hooked the first time I went. No other club has stirred so many emotions and memories for me. I was gutted I couldn't go to the anniversary this year. I know things have changed and some of it not for the better, but it still would have been good.

In the early years from 91-93 the music used to be a lot harder and could get very fast, some mornings you would want the next DJ to come on because it would just sound like noise, stuff like mescaline - we have arrived. 

Beast of a tune!

Cheers for that mate. V interesting  I know it wasnt all down to BPMs (I know I probably sound obssessed lol) Its just something that has always made me curious, but for some reason never actually asked the question to people who went.  This thread has got me more curious though, as names of some tracks have started to apear lol (Mescaline). Keep them coming please people.......fancy putting a mix together of Trade anthems when I have enough (Using the BPM/tracks/night progression info I get off here). Not the standard run of the mill tracks though.......the more b side label type classic

I dont think it was pushing 160bpm.. a lot of the tracks from back then were made a bit slower anyway.. Loads around 145..

I remember Gonzalo playing a very hard & fast set once, playing loads of Telica records. Not your average hh, more european sounding stuff.

I'm very sad to say I never made it to Trade

The EJ Doubell one sounds like it's the trade 12th birthday give away cd. It's a good cd but not hard like Flash is saying. If you want the harder edge ones I'd look out for Trade vol 1 mixed by TDV, Trade Vol 2, Trade Global Grooves mixed by TDV. The 3 Fist CD'S especially 2 and for Telica stuff look out for Antiworld mixed by e-303, and Bitter & Twisted mixed by Mrs Wood & Blu Peter.

The BPMs would peak with Ian M and TDV. The job of the last DJ, i.e Tall Paul or Wardman was to make things a bit more uplifting and brighter than the previous hours. Wardman would've done it differently than Tall Paul though.

It was good - Farley was set of the night for me. Shame you couldn't make it.

Yes, heard he was good.
Yes, it was a shame, but my health had to come first. Trade takes no prisonors if you're not firing on all cylinders.

I had an Ian M set live from trade that was pretty fast, mostly stuff David Craid - Lord of the universe, il see it I still have it and upload it.

I posted that EJ Doubell mix on here with tracky a while back, it's in the sticky Classics HH Mixes thread in the DJ Mixes section. It's good, lots of classics, but its the not the harder sound of Trade. 

I don't think it was that planned out TBH, Tall Paul got given a slot a Trade as a favour - his Dad was the owner of Turnmills. 

some harder classics:

Sigma 2 - The controller 

Most nights start at that speed these days  Progression has gone out of the window

i agree, 150 'warm up' sets not ftw!!!

^^^That

Then tell the promoters to stop booking newbies with everything to prove to play warmup sets. Duh

Goose you are obsessed with BPMs. All those old Hardcore records I bought from you had the BPMs written on them.

"You know life is all about progression, yeah!"

So progress yourself.

DC used to post on here.  Met in the Dam once,  a bit of a nutter by all acounts.  i wonder where he is now? 

Cant find the bastardin mix !!

Theres a live Glen Miller set from 1996 floating about that reaches the 160bpm mark, playing alot of german hard trance stuff towards the end of it.

Think the last couple of tunes on TDV's Trade Vol 1 & Wardmans Trade 4 mixes also reach the 160bpm mark.

A Tardis To Brooklyn on Wardmans mix had to be slowed down a bit as the original bpm was like 175-180

In my defence they were on their when I bought them lol. I have never written a BPM on a record

A few mate to be honest Dyewitness - Trancore (trade vol 2 Ian M mix I think?) thats gotta be 180 at zero pitch
Kleine Boiz - Eine Kleine Nacht Muzik (trade vol 1, tdv mix) again, a good 180 bpm
Even the original mix of Are am Eye is fuckin fast, needs pitchin down to -4 ish to get into a hH mix, hehe
The challenges of old stuff is the variety of bpms, some tracks were made in the early 140's, and some as fast as 180, coupled with the fact decks only went to +8 (without tinkering). People that have only mixed modern stuff, all made within a few bpm tollerance, and with cdj's they don't know they are born lol

Haha.. very true noo noo ^^

I made up the bpms being written on them, sorry mate  I still play those Nooms you sold me

Nah, it's not quite that fast, I used that on a mix last month and it's about 165-170 on 0 pitch (although I pitched it up a bit).


I've got that one too, and it's 155 at 0; dunno if you'd need to go all the way down to -4 ... sacrilege!

Anyways, as far as the original topic goes, I would imagine that the Trade cd's aren't the best representation of the music played in the club, as I've always found stuff on commercially released cd's to be slower than what was/is actually played in a club. I never went to Trade, but I certainly remember music getting pretty fast at times at places like Pendragon, Escape From Samsara etc back in the mid-90's, so I can imagine it going 160+ and beyond at Trade when they were playing all those hard Euro tunes from Bonzai, Noom, etc.

Good memories of these nights

Yes indeed Andy

NooNoo puts in English what I was trying to ask lol I.E. were those tracks played at normal pace or pitched down to fit Hard House type territory?

Definitely indeedy

Except Tall Paul started playing at the club a couple of years before the classic line up that played a seamless progression. I think they put him on last because when he first started he wasn't that good. 

No, normal pace, one of their old slogans is "No speed limit".

Kaye, did you ever meet Kenny the light stick man?

Yes, many times. Last saw him at Hardon a few years back when he stuck his fingers up my nose!
He hasn't set foot in trade since the last one at Turnmills.
Did you go to the anniversary this year?

Great slogan that

He was as mad as a box of frogs. I think Pete Wardman made a track for him with a "Kenny the lightstick man" sample. I heard him play it a few times. 

Yes, he was mad, loveable guy. I always danced where he used to perform, by the bridge stair bit. Totally mesmerised by him.
Yes, body parts hurt more these days to stay up all night.

I know.

As for not being that good etc, you may know something I don't. If that is the case, they perversely still got him to mix a disc on Trade Volume 2.

Please re-read my post. 

Loads of people have "mixed" CD's, don't mean they're good though

Yeah the trade style stuff is a lot harder to mix.All the early tripoli trax etc were not the most DJ friendly tracks.Tom Deluxe ' ma definition of house' and Kinky Roland ' Bonkers ' were particularly annoying when mastering how to mix them.It was all very late mixes with the majority of the tracks.That is what's so annoying when you see all these little dicks with there cdj's and funky house thinking there fucking judge jules when there more like judge judy dench .
Tis always great to turn up at house parties and ask 'if it's ok to have a quick mix' followed by some obscure fucked up breaky/techy/dirty/riffy/messy music which does not appear to be following any set beat structure - let's see you mix into that you little shit bag ya

Nooms are a buggar for that lol