best producer hard house awards

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ross homson is getting my vote hows about yous?

i thought his tracks were engineered?

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ross homson is getting my vote hows about yous?

 

i thought his tracks were engineered?

Does it matter though?? Seriously!!??

um yeah there is a difference mate

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ross homson is getting my vote hows about yous?

 

i thought his tracks were engineered?

Does it matter though?? Seriously!!??

um yeah there is a difference mate

Why is it such a problem now,  when it wasnt when TDV and Paul Glazby were using engineers?  Oh and Andy Farley for that matter.

Ian Fitzpatrick is a really talented producer, a natural at it to be honest ... others include

Ross who has made blinding tracks right from the very start going for like 4, 5 years now? always something different in his ideas that sound great both in his hard house and techhouse

Owens, getting really into his sound and tracks now, belting shizzle

Wayne Smart, some of his newer tracks i heard of his at the tidy weekender last march were fantastic and loads of others hes been making this year

Nogger.. kicked off with a bang and has not made a bad track yet! great ideas and a tidy, heavy sound

Nikkdbubble is also making some great tracks with an old school edge  

Oh and regards to the engineer debate who gives a fuck, personally i respect anyone who uses an engineer or not that makes a decent piece of music

They are an artist, end of 

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ross homson is getting my vote hows about yous?

 

i thought his tracks were engineered?

Does it matter though?? Seriously!!??

um yeah there is a difference mate

Why is it such a problem now,  when it wasnt when TDV and Paul Glazby were using engineers?  Oh and Andy Farley for that matter.

 

It aint a prob at all, in fact its great for the scene! All im sayin is that.. (and no offence to anyone who uses engineers) If a DJ came in and sat next to you while you made them a track I wouldn't call them a producer.... but thats my opinion

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Oh and regards to the engineer debate who gives a fuck, personally i respect anyone who uses an engineer or not that makes a decent piece of music

 

They are an artist, end of 

WTF?  So if I go to a painter and ask him to paint me a picture, does that make me an artist?

My car's in the garage having the clutch pedal assmbly looked at.  Yay, I'm a mechanic now!

My GF's a Chartered Accountant and has been helping me sort out a personal budget.  Am I an accountant now?

Pipe down you pompous muppet, who the fuck do you think you are calling me a retard? for starters you dont do either on here or contribute in anyway... quick to contradict hey... I produce and engineer my own work and know the difference yet I am still! fully backing people who dont have the money and resources to setup themselves because they still make music regardless!

have a look at these and pick out the parts where it says 'artist - a person who shows creativity and skill'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/artist

You saying a singer who has thier work recorded for them by an engineer is not an artistically creative person?

transfering ideas to the engineer and creating the track to how they want it is an artistically creative skill you dickhead.. go figure 

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Oh and regards to the engineer debate who gives a fuck, personally i respect anyone who uses an engineer or not that makes a decent piece of music

 

They are an artist, end of 

WTF?  So if I go to a painter and ask him to paint me a picture, does that make me an artist?

My car's in the garage having the clutch pedal assmbly looked at.  Yay, I'm a mechanic now!

My GF's a Chartered Accountant and has been helping me sort out a personal budget.  Am I an accountant now?

 

Pipe down you pompous muppet, who the fuck do you think you are calling me a retard? for starters you dont do either on here or contribute in anyway... quick to contradict hey... I produce and engineer my own work and know the difference yet I am still! fully backing people who dont have the money and resources to setup themselves because they still make music regardless!

 

have a look at these and pick out the parts where it says 'artist - a person who shows creativity and skill'

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/artist

 

You saying a singer who has thier work recorded for them by an engineer is not an artistically creative person?

 

transfering ideas to the engineer and creating the track to how they want it is an artistically creative skill you dickhead.. go figure 

Blimey, Matt - none of what I said was aimed at you personally.  Chill out, dude

So, back to my previous post, you think there's no difference whatsoever in the level of artistic merit between the two examples I provided?  Seriously?

What I may or not 'do' has no bearing on my ability or right to have an opinion, which is all I'm expressing

I'm not contradicting anyone.  Did you mean to say contradict?  Condemn maybe?

I forget who it is on here that frequently points out that you don't have to be a movie director to be qualified to have an opinion on a film.  It's an extremely good analogy IMO

That second post I thought you was outlining that I didnt know the difference? fair enough anyway, my bad  

Different opinions as such on here thats the way I would define an artist anyway as a creative person that expresses ideas... totally abide by the fact that the engineer/producer/remixer person has more skill, ofcourse they do but I just dont think that a person that writes a good piece of music which has been sequenced for them should have more of the credit due to the technical engineer... In my experience from going to another studio from time to time there is equal input in putting the track together from both sides if the effort is made ofcourse

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Oh and regards to the engineer debate who gives a fuck, personally i respect anyone who uses an engineer or not that makes a decent piece of music

 

They are an artist, end of 

WTF?  So if I go to a painter and ask him to paint me a picture, does that make me an artist?

My car's in the garage having the clutch pedal assmbly looked at.  Yay, I'm a mechanic now!

My GF's a Chartered Accountant and has been helping me sort out a personal budget.  Am I an accountant now?

 

Pipe down you pompous muppet, who the fuck do you think you are calling me a retard? for starters you dont do either on here or contribute in anyway... quick to contradict hey... I produce and engineer my own work and know the difference yet I am still! fully backing people who dont have the money and resources to setup themselves because they still make music regardless!

 

have a look at these and pick out the parts where it says 'artist - a person who shows creativity and skill'

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/artist

 

You saying a singer who has thier work recorded for them by an engineer is not an artistically creative person?

 

transfering ideas to the engineer and creating the track to how they want it is an artistically creative skill you dickhead.. go figure 

Not quite, Matt. 

However, a singer who steps into a studio and says to another singer, "Hey, will you sing these words using this tune for me?", shouldn't be allowed to claim that they sung it. 

True and I think all this rehashing old vocals into a new RnB/commercial pop trend is mostly a talentless and linear way to produce music

 But a singer with an original vocal has to have thier ideas recorded somehow and most vocalists do not possess mixing knowledge or experience anyway.

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Oh and regards to the engineer debate who gives a fuck, personally i respect anyone who uses an engineer or not that makes a decent piece of music

 

They are an artist, end of 

WTF?  So if I go to a painter and ask him to paint me a picture, does that make me an artist?

My car's in the garage having the clutch pedal assmbly looked at.  Yay, I'm a mechanic now!

My GF's a Chartered Accountant and has been helping me sort out a personal budget.  Am I an accountant now?

There's always one, it's not that black and white FFS

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Oh and regards to the engineer debate who gives a fuck, personally i respect anyone who uses an engineer or not that makes a decent piece of music

 

They are an artist, end of 

WTF?  So if I go to a painter and ask him to paint me a picture, does that make me an artist?

My car's in the garage having the clutch pedal assmbly looked at.  Yay, I'm a mechanic now!

My GF's a Chartered Accountant and has been helping me sort out a personal budget.  Am I an accountant now?

There's always one, it's not that black and white FFS

There's nothing wrong with any of my analogies, John!

If you so, same old same old to me

When you take your car in to have the clutch looked at, do you spend a good deal of time before hand sourcing the parts you want, take them in with you and then hang around to make sure they are put together in the manner that suits your driving style then?  You know, involvement in the process, personalisation and a good amount of input and ideas in your own style. 

Surely the mechanic would be able to come up with exactly the same repair without you there at all in that analogy.  Is that what you are saying about producers that use engineers then?

There will be people who pay the money, pass over a vocal and sit there waiting for a track to be made.  For some reason when this is dicussed some like to lump everyone in with that and have a go, every flipping time.  The argument never progresses forward and as such I usually ignore it these days.  I just wish that those who continually post these things just chill the fuck out and just enjoy the music. 

I think its mostly the newer aspiring engineers that conflict with people that use engineers who get alot of credit for releases because the new engineers are putting alot of effort in and thinking that they are not getting alot back from it to start with plus mix this with the aspiration to get somewhere in the music industry and hey presto you have a war between the two types of people... but thats where the pitfull lyes and affects the way they produce.

Dick measuring doesnt get anyone very far, it ends up as more of a rush to complete something half finished and ends up quantity over quality...

I would hope that such engineers NEVER go on to work with producers themselves on principle.

The thread was supposed to be about the hard house awards anyway but someone had to dust off the same old comments

Haha spot on!

It particularly gets my goat because I put months of work into making a track......after my day job is done....you know ......paying my bills and stuff??

Sorry I have no time to sit for hours making bang bang bang noise for about 4 years till Im actually happy with my sound. Not like some out there who think they are good enough after a year to either engineer or make the wank they produce public FFS!

Working with engineers has helped me shitloads because one day soon I will have the opportunity to learn and carry on making hard house.

Where would the scene be if no one engineered for folk over the last 20 years hahaha??