GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/Technoi did an edit of DK - Murder was the bass time ago with the hoover from all you ready
Post edited by owner 04/12/2011 17:48:36 Matt Capitani
4732 Posts
Midlands
Ska maniaI like one or two of those extended mixes during a set like your keeping the outro of the previous track going for abit longer creating tension and then dropping in a belting bassline in of the oncoming track. Used to see Nick Rafferty and a few others do this on thier sets at polys etc... unless i was smashed out my face and it just seemed like they were doing that 
still a great effect during a set as long as its not done on every mix ofcourse Zzzz 
Post edited by owner 04/12/2011 18:51:42 Adzr
1281 Posts
Essex
Hard NRGIn reply to
I like one or two of those extended mixes during a set like your keeping the outro of the previous track going for abit longer creating tension and then dropping in a belting bassline in of the oncoming track. Used to see Nick Rafferty and a few others do this on thier sets at polys etc... unless i was smashed out my face and it just seemed like they were doing that
still a great effect during a set as long as its not done on every mix ofcourse Zzzz
Tissera used (may well still do it, ain't seen him play for yonks) to do that
Craig Stuart
4476 Posts
leeds
owt that pisses my dad offdone this loads for intro's or a mash-up of tracks, made them fit better in a mix etc. or editing some cheese out of it. like when i hear a really hard track like Bass Graffiti - 'The Hulk'.. Why that vocal sample was ever put in the break I have no idea lol.
as said above aslong as you're not claiming it to be yours or the origional that could piss off the producer i think its fine. i always name the track as its origional name then in brackets say what ive cut it with or done) .
I think if it suits your set or compliments what you're doing on the decks go for it. I wouldnt mind someone taking a track of mine and mashing it up or altering it with good ideas and would probarbly buzz off it. Although the opposite if it sounded like shit.
Just a shame some people wack shitty pop vocals over tracks (eg. dolphin head) or play 2 together and call it their own remix.. eg some shite on youtube..
Apart from the gimps that ruin tracks I think its good to put your own little stamp on tracks in a mix especially Djing out
I also think the crowd appreciates little quirky cuts and stuff added to a track or mix.. shows the dj really thinks about his set too and how to stand out a bit
I do think now times have changed. vinyl is pretty much obselete and digital tracks being so much easyer to manipulate than the past djing format clubbers expect a little bit more from a dj than just plain old mixing.
Post edited by owner 04/12/2011 20:59:45 Jake Martin
4864 Posts
Yep I edit lots of tracks, mainly just the intros and outros to fit with what I'm doing. Getting rid of an awkward cue point as well can get you out of a possible mishap when playing it out. I don't see a problem at all, you've bought the track so you can do what ya like with it as long as you don't credit it as your own.
Post edited by owner 04/12/2011 20:55:14 Craig Stuart
4476 Posts
leeds
owt that pisses my dad offIn reply to
Some techno tracks I've seen offer the tracks as like 6 min loops so you can make you're own version of the track.
sorry for posting this but u mentioned techno.. i fooking love this tune..
Nogger
2954 Posts
Barnsley, S. Yorks
HH/Nrg/TechnoThanks for the response, I was just curious about what people thought on it. I've edited a few tracks, not just adding extra intro/outro's. Like with one track i've took out the main riff completely & replaced it with another riff from the same track, because i like everything about it except the main riff. Was just a bit concious about putting them on mixes. And I wouldn't dream of crediting them as my own lol!
Post edited by owner 12/4/2011 10:25:07 PM Craig Stuart
4476 Posts
leeds
owt that pisses my dad offIn reply to
Thanks for the response, I was just curious about what people thought on it. I've edited a few tracks, not just adding extra intro/outro's. Like with one track i've took out the main riff completely & replaced it with another riff from the same track, because i like everything about it except the main riff. Was just a bit concious about putting them on mixes. And I wouldn't dream of crediting them as my own lol!
thats a disgrace mate !
Danny James
345 Posts
South London
Hard HouseWhat software do you guys use? I've added extra bars or taken some out at the start or end using Twisted Wave but taking out the main riff etc sounds like hard work lol!
Craig Stuart
4476 Posts
leeds
owt that pisses my dad offIn reply to
What software do you guys use? I've added extra bars or taken some out at the start or end using Twisted Wave but taking out the main riff etc sounds like hard work lol!
I use presonus.. so easy to manipulate audio and use fx.
if ya want to get techy with the vocals tho alchemy is amazing
Post edited by owner 04/12/2011 22:47:45 GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply to
What software do you guys use? I've added extra bars or taken some out at the start or end using Twisted Wave but taking out the main riff etc sounds like hard work lol!
sound forge and live
Dramatik
3889 Posts
Adelaide
Heavy basslinesyeah ive done cheeky editts for sets, I find it heaps frustrating when ya find a great track ruined by some shitty synths, could put some examples on here but that would be a bit rude to the artists
GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply to
Some techno tracks I've seen offer the tracks as like 6 min loops so you can make you're own version of the track.
i think thats a step too far tbh
Sellouts
3286 Posts
Nowhere
Deep HouseEdits are massive in the deep disco scene... Updates on an already dope tune to bring it up to todays sound can't be a bad thing.
Socky
3367 Posts
Brisbane
Rave MusicIn reply to
So do people edit tracks so that they all "fit" with each other or what? If so, why not just make everything the same BPM too.
Well no, I just edit tracks to suit my style if needed, say some tunes might carry on for an age before the breakdown, but given the way I like to mix or like the sound to flow well I can shorten that, some bits might be cool enough to deserve a loop and some bits might be shite enough to deserve cutting out.
As for the bpm's, its handy for some tracks that are slow but I like to play fast, funky dory good times is the one that springs to mind
Matt Capitani
4732 Posts
Midlands
Ska maniaIn reply to
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I like one or two of those extended mixes during a set like your keeping the outro of the previous track going for abit longer creating tension and then dropping in a belting bassline in of the oncoming track. Used to see Nick Rafferty and a few others do this on thier sets at polys etc... unless i was smashed out my face and it just seemed like they were doing that
still a great effect during a set as long as its not done on every mix ofcourse Zzzz
Tissera used (may well still do it, ain't seen him play for yonks) to do that
ahh yep
thats another I was trying to remember who did this to great effect as well, he used to rinse it but always pulled it off at the right times during his set, havent seen him play for a longtime myself man, top dj
Tom Payne
7196 Posts
Racoon City
Anything goes.../Hard-DubI've done it a few times to cut down excessively long breakdowns (a 3 minute breakdown in a hard house tune... Are you fucking sure!!!?!?!)
Edited the vocal back into "Cinematic" as well
(still don't know why it was cut from the final version)
I guess it could be taken the wrong way by whoever made the track in the first place, but they'd have to have a serious ego problem!
Post edited by owner 06/12/2011 07:41:27 GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply toI've done it a few times to cut down excessively long breakdowns (a 3 minute breakdown in a hard house tune... Are you fucking sure!!!?!?!)
Edited the vocal back into "Cinematic" as well
(still don't know why it was cut from the final version)
yeaa never understood that either, was always better with that vocal in
Adam M
2301 Posts
Leeds
HardhouseI do this all the time, if i get a track that slams in after the break with a wicked Hoover pattern but it only lasts for 32 beats. I just double or maybe triple it up.
Keeps the energy going when you do the base swap
JamesNardi
4620 Posts
yeah do it loads as well.
A couple of times i've removed the entire break due to an annoying vocal & just played round with the parts either side of the break to re arrange it.
Gary O'Connor
342 Posts
Sunderland
Hard HouseI make all my tracks 150 cause I'm a lazy cunt
Gaz Gibson
7794 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply to
I'm not talking about changing bpms gaz, the cdjs do that job. I mean chopping/editing sections of tracks to make them longer/shorter, or chopping out sections you don't like etc.
no i know you havnt, just read someone's comment.
Its too easy making tracks all at 150 bpm all you have to do is match the +/- up on a cdj and hey presto, the tunes are in syncl
I wouldnt know where to start editing tracks tbh.
Post edited by owner 07/12/2011 15:44:26 Hoover slut
22669 Posts
Southend
Nasty As FuckIn reply toIn reply to
I'm not talking about changing bpms gaz, the cdjs do that job. I mean chopping/editing sections of tracks to make them longer/shorter, or chopping out sections you don't like etc.
no i know you havnt, just read someone's comment.
Its too easy making tracks all at 150 bpm all you have to do is match the +/- up on a cdj and hey presto, the tunes are in syncl
I wouldnt know where to start editing tracks tbh.
Thats whats pretty much put me off mixing all together over the past year or so. Done some sets where i havent had to move the pitch on either deck for 5+ songs before. Makes it fucking boring.
Kinetic
546 Posts
costa del rotherham
owt that bangsIn reply toIn reply to
I'm not talking about changing bpms gaz, the cdjs do that job. I mean chopping/editing sections of tracks to make them longer/shorter, or chopping out sections you don't like etc.
no i know you havnt, just read someone's comment.
Its too easy making tracks all at 150 bpm all you have to do is match the +/- up on a cdj and hey presto, the tunes are in syncl
I wouldnt know where to start editing tracks tbh.
i agree thats why i always move up the bpms when iam djing
something ive always done from my vinyil days
GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply toIn reply toIn reply to
I'm not talking about changing bpms gaz, the cdjs do that job. I mean chopping/editing sections of tracks to make them longer/shorter, or chopping out sections you don't like etc.
no i know you havnt, just read someone's comment.
Its too easy making tracks all at 150 bpm all you have to do is match the +/- up on a cdj and hey presto, the tunes are in syncl
I wouldnt know where to start editing tracks tbh.
Thats whats pretty much put me off mixing all together over the past year or so. Done some sets where i havent had to move the pitch on either deck for 5+ songs before. Makes it fucking boring.
soo beatmatching is the only fun part of mixing?
GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply toIn reply to
I'm not talking about changing bpms gaz, the cdjs do that job. I mean chopping/editing sections of tracks to make them longer/shorter, or chopping out sections you don't like etc.
no i know you havnt, just read someone's comment.
Its too easy making tracks all at 150 bpm all you have to do is match the +/- up on a cdj and hey presto, the tunes are in syncl
I wouldnt know where to start editing tracks tbh.
comming from someone who's released tracks, i find this confusing
GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply to
Change the bpms?? Wtf!! God anything to make mixing easier these days..takes the fun out of it!
depends on the track really, ive changed afew tracks that were 130-140bpm that id be playing at 150+ so i wouldnt have to use the 16% range on the cdj's, allowing for tighter mixes
Nogger
2954 Posts
Barnsley, S. Yorks
HH/Nrg/TechnoIn reply toIn reply to
Change the bpms?? Wtf!! God anything to make mixing easier these days..takes the fun out of it!
depends on the track really, ive changed afew tracks that were 130-140bpm that id be playing at 150+ so i wouldnt have to use the 16% range on the cdj's, allowing for tighter mixes
Most tracks pitched up to 150+ from 130-140 would sound pretty awful!
Gaz Gibson
7794 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply to
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I'm not talking about changing bpms gaz, the cdjs do that job. I mean chopping/editing sections of tracks to make them longer/shorter, or chopping out sections you don't like etc.
no i know you havnt, just read someone's comment.
Its too easy making tracks all at 150 bpm all you have to do is match the +/- up on a cdj and hey presto, the tunes are in syncl
I wouldnt know where to start editing tracks tbh.
comming from someone who's released tracks, i find this confusing
Oh shut up you morbid loner cunt! Ive never thought about editing tracks.
Post edited by owner 07/12/2011 19:16:48 Gaz Gibson
7794 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply to
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Change the bpms?? Wtf!! God anything to make mixing easier these days..takes the fun out of it!
depends on the track really, ive changed afew tracks that were 130-140bpm that id be playing at 150+ so i wouldnt have to use the 16% range on the cdj's, allowing for tighter mixes
how fucking stupid!! A track is supposed to be dropped around the bpm its been made, hence why its made at the bpm.
GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply toIn reply to
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Change the bpms?? Wtf!! God anything to make mixing easier these days..takes the fun out of it!
depends on the track really, ive changed afew tracks that were 130-140bpm that id be playing at 150+ so i wouldnt have to use the 16% range on the cdj's, allowing for tighter mixes
how fucking stupid!! A track is supposed to be dropped around the bpm its been made, hence why its made at the bpm.
since when? theres loads of tracks that sound wicked pitched up that much
Mark Ioannides
4793 Posts
Cardiff
HardhouseIn reply toIn reply toIn reply to
Change the bpms?? Wtf!! God anything to make mixing easier these days..takes the fun out of it!
depends on the track really, ive changed afew tracks that were 130-140bpm that id be playing at 150+ so i wouldnt have to use the 16% range on the cdj's, allowing for tighter mixes
Most tracks pitched up to 150+ from 130-140 would sound pretty awful!
Totally agree, For some reason I knew this thread was going to end like it has. Why are people so obsessed with BPMs????? When I do a mix and occasionly when I play out I like to think I progress from a certain speed upwards. Why does everything have to be the same speed??????????
GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply toIn reply to
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I'm not talking about changing bpms gaz, the cdjs do that job. I mean chopping/editing sections of tracks to make them longer/shorter, or chopping out sections you don't like etc.
no i know you havnt, just read someone's comment.
Its too easy making tracks all at 150 bpm all you have to do is match the +/- up on a cdj and hey presto, the tunes are in syncl
I wouldnt know where to start editing tracks tbh.
comming from someone who's released tracks, i find this confusing
Oh shut up you morbid loner cunt! Ive never thought about editing tracks.
name calling again, how childish!
i was simply saying that someone who has produced tracks, would have a better understanding about editing them!
seriously what is your problem with me mate
GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply toIn reply toIn reply to
Change the bpms?? Wtf!! God anything to make mixing easier these days..takes the fun out of it!
depends on the track really, ive changed afew tracks that were 130-140bpm that id be playing at 150+ so i wouldnt have to use the 16% range on the cdj's, allowing for tighter mixes
Most tracks pitched up to 150+ from 130-140 would sound pretty awful!
yeaaa totally mate, but there are some slow techno tracks that work really well pitched up
Gaz Gibson
7794 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply to
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I'm not talking about changing bpms gaz, the cdjs do that job. I mean chopping/editing sections of tracks to make them longer/shorter, or chopping out sections you don't like etc.
no i know you havnt, just read someone's comment.
Its too easy making tracks all at 150 bpm all you have to do is match the +/- up on a cdj and hey presto, the tunes are in syncl
I wouldnt know where to start editing tracks tbh.
comming from someone who's released tracks, i find this confusing
Oh shut up you morbid loner cunt! Ive never thought about editing tracks.
name calling again, how childish!
i was simply saying that someone who has produced tracks, would have a better understanding about editing them!
seriously what is your problem with me mate
My problem its you creeping up in posts with snidey remarks, infact you do it in every topic against someone or another, your a jobsworth. You do it in every topic i post in more or less. Go get a job you bum!
Post edited by owner 07/12/2011 20:40:07 GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply toIn reply to
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In reply to
I'm not talking about changing bpms gaz, the cdjs do that job. I mean chopping/editing sections of tracks to make them longer/shorter, or chopping out sections you don't like etc.
no i know you havnt, just read someone's comment.
Its too easy making tracks all at 150 bpm all you have to do is match the +/- up on a cdj and hey presto, the tunes are in syncl
I wouldnt know where to start editing tracks tbh.
comming from someone who's released tracks, i find this confusing
Oh shut up you morbid loner cunt! Ive never thought about editing tracks.
name calling again, how childish!
i was simply saying that someone who has produced tracks, would have a better understanding about editing them!
seriously what is your problem with me mate
My problem its you creeping up in posts with snidey remarks, infact you do it in
every topic against someone or another, your a jobsworth. You do it in every topic i post in more or less. Go get a job you bum!
dont think so
Max
22729 Posts
Bangkok
Hard Disco HouseIn reply to
name calling again, how childish!
i was simply saying that someone who has produced tracks, would have a better understanding about editing them!
seriously what is your problem with me mate
My problem its you creeping up in posts with snidey remarks, infact you do it in every topic against someone or another, your a jobsworth. You do it in every topic i post in more or less. Go get a job you bum!
I think you've got the understanding of the term 'Jobsworth' a bit wrong.
tmcg.
4900 Posts
Berlin/AKL
hi-tech soulIn reply toIn reply to
In reply to
Change the bpms?? Wtf!! God anything to make mixing easier these days..takes the fun out of it!
depends on the track really, ive changed afew tracks that were 130-140bpm that id be playing at 150+ so i wouldnt have to use the 16% range on the cdj's, allowing for tighter mixes
how fucking stupid!! A track is supposed to be dropped around the bpm its been made, hence why its made at the bpm.
i disagree with that, it's not 'supposed' to be, it's just that generally it doesn't sound too flash when it's pitched up or down too much, nothing to do with 'supposed to be', there aren't any rules.
I have a number or records that are made to play at 45, but sound fucking AWESOME at 33 as well.
It all totally comes down to how it sounds, theres a couple of super slowmo house/disco things (100/105 bpm) that I will regularly play at 122/123 bpm and they sound awesome.
If it sounds good, then do it.
Post edited by owner 12/8/2011 12:53:05 PM Gaz Gibson
7794 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply to
In reply to
name calling again, how childish!
i was simply saying that someone who has produced tracks, would have a better understanding about editing them!
seriously what is your problem with me mate
My problem its you creeping up in posts with snidey remarks, infact you do it in every topic against someone or another, your a jobsworth. You do it in every topic i post in more or less. Go get a job you bum!
I think you've got the understanding of the term 'Jobsworth' a bit wrong.
i havnt.
Socky
3367 Posts
Brisbane
Rave MusicIn reply toIn reply toIn reply to
Change the bpms?? Wtf!! God anything to make mixing easier these days..takes the fun out of it!
depends on the track really, ive changed afew tracks that were 130-140bpm that id be playing at 150+ so i wouldnt have to use the 16% range on the cdj's, allowing for tighter mixes
Most tracks pitched up to 150+ from 130-140 would sound pretty awful!
Most would, some don't
As for not knowing where to start editing tracks, have you never listened to a track and wanted to chop some of it out, or loop a good bit? or remove some retarded movie sample from the break?
Love how this has descended into an argument
tmcg.
4900 Posts
Berlin/AKL
hi-tech soulIn reply to
If a producer makes a track at 138 im sure then its not supposed to be dropped at 150 or he'd make it at 150
You're missing the point entirely.
There are no rules in this, because it's made at 150 doesn't mean that it doesnt sound great at 130 bpm too?
It's music, the whole point of music is to create something that sounds good, if something sounds good pitched right down, then why is it wrong? As you are implying.
The only reason it's been made at 150 is because said producer is trying to fit within the confines of a niche style, that doesn't mean to say it doesn't sound great at another speed.
Open your mind.
tmcg.
4900 Posts
Berlin/AKL
hi-tech soulhaha, okay. *shakes head*
I'll just assume that you've listened to every single piece of music made at 150 bpm and therefore can make such a claim.
Post edited by owner 12/8/2011 1:46:19 PM GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply to
If a producer makes a track at 138 im sure then its not supposed to be dropped at 150 or he'd make it at 150
if it sounds good why not?
Nogger
2954 Posts
Barnsley, S. Yorks
HH/Nrg/TechnoIn reply toIn reply toIn reply toIn reply to
Change the bpms?? Wtf!! God anything to make mixing easier these days..takes the fun out of it!
depends on the track really, ive changed afew tracks that were 130-140bpm that id be playing at 150+ so i wouldnt have to use the 16% range on the cdj's, allowing for tighter mixes
Most tracks pitched up to 150+ from 130-140 would sound pretty awful!
Most would, some don't
As for not knowing where to start editing tracks, have you never listened to a track and wanted to chop some of it out, or loop a good bit? or remove some retarded movie sample from the break?
Love how this has descended into an argument
It's bangingtunes what did you expect
tmcg.
4900 Posts
Berlin/AKL
hi-tech soulIn reply toIn reply to
If a producer makes a track at 138 im sure then its not supposed to be dropped at 150 or he'd make it at 150
if it sounds good why not?
He doesn't seem to be able to grasp that concept, haha.
tmcg.
4900 Posts
Berlin/AKL
hi-tech soulSee pitching down, I find, generally ends up with way better results, it makes things funkier and chunkier, gives all the parts of the track more room and allows you to hear different things you wouldn't hear at 0%
As I said before, there's so many records around that while made to play at 45, sound awesome at 33, just adds a whole new dimension to the track.
Post edited by owner 12/8/2011 2:13:50 PM Max
22729 Posts
Bangkok
Hard Disco HouseIn reply toIn reply to
In reply to
name calling again, how childish!
i was simply saying that someone who has produced tracks, would have a better understanding about editing them!
seriously what is your problem with me mate
My problem its you creeping up in posts with snidey remarks, infact you do it in every topic against someone or another, your a jobsworth. You do it in every topic i post in more or less. Go get a job you bum!
I think you've got the understanding of the term 'Jobsworth' a bit wrong.
i havnt.
A Jobsworth is some one who follows procedure and rules to the T and wont do something outside of them to help you out. It comes from the saying 'I can't do that, its more then my jobs worth'.
Tarquin
24928 Posts
Paris
Fabulous DarlingIn reply toIn reply toI've done it a few times to cut down excessively long breakdowns (a 3 minute breakdown in a hard house tune... Are you fucking sure!!!?!?!)
Edited the vocal back into "Cinematic" as well
(still don't know why it was cut from the final version)
yeaa never understood that either, was always better with that vocal in
where can I hear that ? (cinematic with the vocal) ...don't think heard that. love the one with no vox
Gaz Gibson
7794 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply to
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name calling again, how childish!
i was simply saying that someone who has produced tracks, would have a better understanding about editing them!
seriously what is your problem with me mate
My problem its you creeping up in posts with snidey remarks, infact you do it in every topic against someone or another, your a jobsworth. You do it in every topic i post in more or less. Go get a job you bum!
I think you've got the understanding of the term 'Jobsworth' a bit wrong.
i havnt.
A Jobsworth is some one who follows procedure and rules to the T and wont do something outside of them to help you out. It comes from the saying 'I can't do that, its more then my jobs worth'.
ok if we're being pedantic but you knew what i meant, jesus christ
Max
22729 Posts
Bangkok
Hard Disco HouseIn reply toIn reply to
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name calling again, how childish!
i was simply saying that someone who has produced tracks, would have a better understanding about editing them!
seriously what is your problem with me mate
My problem its you creeping up in posts with snidey remarks, infact you do it in every topic against someone or another, your a jobsworth. You do it in every topic i post in more or less. Go get a job you bum!
I think you've got the understanding of the term 'Jobsworth' a bit wrong.
i havnt.
A Jobsworth is some one who follows procedure and rules to the T and wont do something outside of them to help you out. It comes from the saying 'I can't do that, its more then my jobs worth'.
ok if we're being pedantic but you knew what i meant, jesus christ
Well that's what i mean, I didn't know what you meant as it was the wrong phrase to use.
But yeah is still get the point that you dont like the chap
Random But Raw / Brunitz
5758 Posts
Lether
Stuff That's Nathan Lether Never really edited before, just played as they are. Sometimes they are tunes that have a strange progression to them, generally I'll try and make it go together by eq'ing it to suit at the time.
As for the comments about playing tunes slower than they are. Are we talking about playing them slower and re-pitching them to its original key? If so, then that can sound fine. If it's just a case of playing them at a much or higher bpm than the written speed, then they will sound awful. As far as I know, every 6bpm difference will move it a semitone. So for 20bpm lower or higher for example, that's about 3 keys lower or higher there. A big difference to the sounds of the track.
Ross Homson
3042 Posts
Manchester
Hard & TechIn reply to
If a producer makes a track at 138 im sure then its not supposed to be dropped at 150 or he'd make it at 150
Tracks made at 145-150 are quite often played at 150-160
tmcg.
4900 Posts
Berlin/AKL
hi-tech soulIn reply toAs for the comments about playing tunes slower than they are. Are we talking about playing them slower and re-pitching them to its original key? If so, then that can sound fine. If it's just a case of playing them at a much or higher bpm than the written speed, then they will sound awful. As far as I know, every 6bpm difference will move it a semitone. So for 20bpm lower or higher for example, that's about 3 keys lower or higher there. A big difference to the sounds of the track.
Yeh it's something like that.. But you're saying that tonal change is a negative... how is that so? As has been said many times, there are plenty of examples where it sounds awesome and works well, sure, with hard house, it's probably not every second track, but there are definitely a lot of times where it works.. You've never put a record on and hit the play button and it's been on 33 instead of 45 and thought, "hey wow that sounds pretty cool" ?
All I was trying to point out was that there is no need to be so dismissive of it, it's music, there are no rules as to what you can and can't do, as long as [you think] it sounds cool.
Hell, there are entire sub-genres of music that are solely based on the ultra slowing down of tracks..
Moombahton is a style of music that was pioneered by Dave Nada when he was playing a house party and realised the kids at it didn't like the Dutch House (130/135) he was playing, so he flipped the script and slowed it down to like 80/90 bpm and they lost the plot, now that whole sound is fairly huge (personally i'm not the biggest fan, but regardless) (Evidently it's so named because the first track he slowed down was 'Moombah' by Chuckie, and then obviously with the similarities to Reggaeton etc)
Post edited by owner 12/8/2011 8:46:36 PM Timmeh
20354 Posts
London
funky deep shizznitI used to play 2 Phats cunts - Ride like that when I first started cant decide now whether it was better or not
Andy Graves
4574 Posts
Reading
Hard stomping boshing twisted groovesIn reply toNever really edited before, just played as they are. Sometimes they are tunes that have a strange progression to them, generally I'll try and make it go together by eq'ing it to suit at the time.
As for the comments about playing tunes slower than they are. Are we talking about playing them slower and re-pitching them to its original key? If so, then that can sound fine. If it's just a case of playing them at a much or higher bpm than the written speed, then they will sound awful. As far as I know, every 6bpm difference will move it a semitone. So for 20bpm lower or higher for example, that's about 3 keys lower or higher there. A big difference to the sounds of the track.
Take a tune like Lab 4 - Reformation II. It's written at around 170bpm, right? So, in order to fit it into the vast majority of HH sets, it needs to be significantly pitched down. It doesn't sound any worse; it's just slower.
Fuck me, some of you guys are so closed-minded when it comes to dance music it's staggering. Pidgeon-holed to fuck, some of you are
Andy Graves
4574 Posts
Reading
Hard stomping boshing twisted groovesIn reply toIn reply toAs for the comments about playing tunes slower than they are. Are we talking about playing them slower and re-pitching them to its original key? If so, then that can sound fine. If it's just a case of playing them at a much or higher bpm than the written speed, then they will sound awful. As far as I know, every 6bpm difference will move it a semitone. So for 20bpm lower or higher for example, that's about 3 keys lower or higher there. A big difference to the sounds of the track.
Yeh it's something like that.. But you're saying that tonal change is a negative... how is that so? As has been said many times, there are plenty of examples where it sounds awesome and works well, sure, with hard house, it's probably not every second track, but there are definitely a lot of times where it works.. You've never put a record on and hit the play button and it's been on 33 instead of 45 and thought, "hey wow that sounds pretty cool" ?
All I was trying to point out was that there is no need to be so dismissive of it, it's music, there are no rules as to what you can and can't do, as long as [you think] it sounds cool.
Hell, there are entire sub-genres of music that are solely based on the ultra slowing down of tracks..
Moombahton is a style of music that was pioneered by Dave Nada when he was playing a house party and realised the kids at it didn't like the Dutch House (130/135) he was playing, so he flipped the script and slowed it down to like 80/90 bpm and they lost the plot, now that whole sound is fairly huge (personally i'm not the biggest fan, but regardless) (Evidently it's so named because the first track he slowed down was 'Moombah' by Chuckie, and then obviously with the similarities to Reggaeton etc)
Fucking word, man
Socky
3367 Posts
Brisbane
Rave MusicI actually had an intelligent constructed reply prepared, explaining my point of view, but...
Anyone who feel constrained by anything other than feel of a track and anything other than what the crowd they have in front f the (or are likely to have in front of them) if missing the point of dance music completely completely, and would be better off painting houses............
Random But Raw / Brunitz
5758 Posts
Lether
Stuff That's Nathan Lether In reply toIn reply toNever really edited before, just played as they are. Sometimes they are tunes that have a strange progression to them, generally I'll try and make it go together by eq'ing it to suit at the time.
As for the comments about playing tunes slower than they are. Are we talking about playing them slower and re-pitching them to its original key? If so, then that can sound fine. If it's just a case of playing them at a much or higher bpm than the written speed, then they will sound awful. As far as I know, every 6bpm difference will move it a semitone. So for 20bpm lower or higher for example, that's about 3 keys lower or higher there. A big difference to the sounds of the track.
Take a tune like Lab 4 - Reformation II. It's written at around 170bpm, right? So, in order to fit it into the vast majority of HH sets, it needs to be significantly pitched down. It doesn't sound any worse; it's just slower.
Fuck me, some of you guys are so closed-minded when it comes to dance music it's staggering. Pidgeon-holed to fuck, some of you are
Below 160bpm it loses it's energy and drive imo and the key it becomes from the bpm change has a lot to do with it, goes to a less dramatic root note. Some people have played it in HH sets I'm sure. Personally I'd of thought it's best for roughly the tempo it's written. We all have different opinions and ears on that tune I guess.
Graham House
3287 Posts
Leeds
House styleIn reply to
Thanks for the response, I was just curious about what people thought on it. I've edited a few tracks, not just adding extra intro/outro's. Like with one track i've took out the main riff completely & replaced it with another riff from the same track, because i like everything about it except the main riff. Was just a bit concious about putting them on mixes. And I wouldn't dream of crediting them as my own lol!
There is a line between a slight tweak here and there, but taking the full breakdown riff out.I personally think that is taking the piss mate and if you did that to one of my tracks I would not be happy
tmcg.
4900 Posts
Berlin/AKL
hi-tech soulIn reply toIn reply to
Thanks for the response, I was just curious about what people thought on it. I've edited a few tracks, not just adding extra intro/outro's. Like with one track i've took out the main riff completely & replaced it with another riff from the same track, because i like everything about it except the main riff. Was just a bit concious about putting them on mixes. And I wouldn't dream of crediting them as my own lol!
There is a line between a slight tweak here and there, but taking the full breakdown riff out.I personally think that is taking the piss mate and if you did that to one of my tracks I would not be happy
Why?
Where exactly does it say that you can and can't do that?
Electronic music is built on sampling and editing and borrowing from others, if for some reason you think you are above that, then you are a bit mistaken.
As long as it's not being done to seel/profit and is being used by the person who did as a personal tool, then theres no problem at all..
Mark-E (GainRider)
13290 Posts
Burlington Underground
Hard2TekCoreIn reply to
In reply to
As for the comments about playing tunes slower than they are. Are we talking about playing them slower and re-pitching them to its original key? If so, then that can sound fine. If it's just a case of playing them at a much or higher bpm than the written speed, then they will sound awful. As far as I know, every 6bpm difference will move it a semitone. So for 20bpm lower or higher for example, that's about 3 keys lower or higher there. A big difference to the sounds of the track.
Yeh it's something like that.. But you're saying that tonal change is a negative... how is that so? As has been said many times, there are plenty of examples where it sounds awesome and works well, sure, with hard house, it's probably not every second track, but there are definitely a lot of times where it works.. You've never put a record on and hit the play button and it's been on 33 instead of 45 and thought, "hey wow that sounds pretty cool" ?
All I was trying to point out was that there is no need to be so dismissive of it, it's music, there are no rules as to what you can and can't do, as long as [you think] it sounds cool.
Hell, there are entire sub-genres of music that are solely based on the ultra slowing down of tracks..
Moombahton is a style of music that was pioneered by Dave Nada when he was playing a house party and realised the kids at it didn't like the Dutch House (130/135) he was playing, so he flipped the script and slowed it down to like 80/90 bpm and they lost the plot, now that whole sound is fairly huge (personally i'm not the biggest fan, but regardless) (Evidently it's so named because the first track he slowed down was 'Moombah' by Chuckie, and then obviously with the similarities to Reggaeton etc)
Manboobatron is a bigger rip off than buying grade from random chav teens. It's nothing more than slow latin house, shit dubstep and generic electro. I once played my dads ska lp's on 45 and mixed in Mokum tunes, have I just created a new 'genre'?
tmcg.
4900 Posts
Berlin/AKL
hi-tech soulit's as much a rip off as anything else is, but that doesn't mean it's wrong or bad, as i've said, theres no rules in this shit maaaaaaan.
Graham House
3287 Posts
Leeds
House styleIn reply toIn reply toIn reply to
Thanks for the response, I was just curious about what people thought on it. I've edited a few tracks, not just adding extra intro/outro's. Like with one track i've took out the main riff completely & replaced it with another riff from the same track, because i like everything about it except the main riff. Was just a bit concious about putting them on mixes. And I wouldn't dream of crediting them as my own lol!
There is a line between a slight tweak here and there, but taking the full breakdown riff out.I personally think that is taking the piss mate and if you did that to one of my tracks I would not be happy
Why?
Where exactly does it say that you can and can't do that?
Electronic music is built on sampling and editing and borrowing from others, if for some reason you think you are above that, then you are a bit mistaken.
As long as it's not being done to seel/profit and is being used by the person who did as a personal tool, then theres no problem at all..
Well maybe some of it is.But if the breakdown riff was actually written and not sampled by said producer/engineer to then have it taken out of there track and replaced.Then to me that is insulting.I know there are no written rules on it but come on have a little respect.I bet said producer would be well happy if you met them and said ' cool track fella, the breakdown riff was a bit shite though so I just replaced it with something else'
Post edited by owner 12/11/2011 10:35:58 AM Socky
3367 Posts
Brisbane
Rave MusicIn reply toIn reply toIn reply toIn reply to
Thanks for the response, I was just curious about what people thought on it. I've edited a few tracks, not just adding extra intro/outro's. Like with one track i've took out the main riff completely & replaced it with another riff from the same track, because i like everything about it except the main riff. Was just a bit concious about putting them on mixes. And I wouldn't dream of crediting them as my own lol!
There is a line between a slight tweak here and there, but taking the full breakdown riff out.I personally think that is taking the piss mate and if you did that to one of my tracks I would not be happy
Why?
Where exactly does it say that you can and can't do that?
Electronic music is built on sampling and editing and borrowing from others, if for some reason you think you are above that, then you are a bit mistaken.
As long as it's not being done to seel/profit and is being used by the person who did as a personal tool, then theres no problem at all..
Well maybe some of it is.But if the breakdown riff was actually written and not sampled by said producer/engineer to then have it taken out of there track and replaced.Then to me that is insulting.I know there are no written rules on it but come on have a little respect.I bet said producer would be well happy if you met them and said ' cool track fella, the breakdown riff was a bit shite though so I just replaced it with something else'
Ah will you get down off yer high horse, I'm sorry but if I consider a certain section of your track rubbish or if you want to be polite not as good as the rest of the track - are you saying its wrong to chop out that section? Or if you had one riff that was fucking class but for some reason you only wrote the track to have it in for a short section, its wrong for me to loop it to extend it, or rearrange the track so it comes in again or whatever?
No wonder HH is dying a boring death if this is the attitude ppl have - not only are a lot of the tracks mediocre but its considered offensive to edit them to suit a style of playing or what a certain crowd wants
Graham House
3287 Posts
Leeds
House styleIn reply toIn reply toIn reply toIn reply toIn reply to
Thanks for the response, I was just curious about what people thought on it. I've edited a few tracks, not just adding extra intro/outro's. Like with one track i've took out the main riff completely & replaced it with another riff from the same track, because i like everything about it except the main riff. Was just a bit concious about putting them on mixes. And I wouldn't dream of crediting them as my own lol!
There is a line between a slight tweak here and there, but taking the full breakdown riff out.I personally think that is taking the piss mate and if you did that to one of my tracks I would not be happy
Why?
Where exactly does it say that you can and can't do that?
Electronic music is built on sampling and editing and borrowing from others, if for some reason you think you are above that, then you are a bit mistaken.
As long as it's not being done to seel/profit and is being used by the person who did as a personal tool, then theres no problem at all..
Well maybe some of it is.But if the breakdown riff was actually written and not sampled by said producer/engineer to then have it taken out of there track and replaced.Then to me that is insulting.I know there are no written rules on it but come on have a little respect.I bet said producer would be well happy if you met them and said ' cool track fella, the breakdown riff was a bit shite though so I just replaced it with something else'
Ah will you get down off yer high horse, I'm sorry but if I consider a certain section of your track rubbish or if you want to be polite not as good as the rest of the track - are you saying its wrong to chop out that section? Or if you had one riff that was fucking class but for some reason you only wrote the track to have it in for a short section, its wrong for me to loop it to extend it, or rearrange the track so it comes in again or whatever?
No wonder HH is dying a boring death if this is the attitude ppl have - not only are a lot of the tracks mediocre but its considered offensive to edit them to suit a style of playing or what a certain crowd wants
Who mentioned anything about the music being hardhouse.And if said track does not fit into the style that you want to play to the crowd then play another record ffs.And get down off my high horse - have some respect fella.Regardless of what you say if someone has put hours and hours into writing a original riff for a breakdown then of course it is disrespectful to just cast it aside.
If you are so good that you feel the need to re-edit them then why not just write your own tracks instead of changing other peoples.That way the track will be just as you want it
Post edited by owner 12/11/2011 7:18:26 PM Random But Raw / Brunitz
5758 Posts
Lether
Stuff That's Nathan Lether In reply to
People can do what they want but after reading all this my feeling is that this editing malarkey is a load of bollox. Just play the tracks and if you really want to do something different then mix them more creatively.
This. The EQ on your mixer is your best friend.
Socky
3367 Posts
Brisbane
Rave MusicIf you are so good that you feel the need to re-edit them then why not just write your own tracks instead of changing other peoples.That way the track will be just as you want it
Always comes back to this doesn't it
I don't know how to write tracks on my own, studio time is difficult to pay for, its difficult to find an engineer that you click with and can write tracks together, and people who use engineers take stupid amounts of slack for doing so.
Editing tracks is standard procedure for people who use traktor and abelton to dj is it not?
There was a video a few years back of ilogik showing how he used loops and effects to change how echelon flowed - so thats cool as fuck but someone adjusting a track in abelton to make it a bit different is sacrilege?
GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply toIn reply toNever really edited before, just played as they are. Sometimes they are tunes that have a strange progression to them, generally I'll try and make it go together by eq'ing it to suit at the time.
As for the comments about playing tunes slower than they are. Are we talking about playing them slower and re-pitching them to its original key? If so, then that can sound fine. If it's just a case of playing them at a much or higher bpm than the written speed, then they will sound awful. As far as I know, every 6bpm difference will move it a semitone. So for 20bpm lower or higher for example, that's about 3 keys lower or higher there. A big difference to the sounds of the track.
Take a tune like Lab 4 - Reformation II. It's written at around 170bpm, right? So, in order to fit it into the vast majority of HH sets, it needs to be significantly pitched down. It doesn't sound any worse; it's just slower.
Fuck me, some of you guys are so closed-minded when it comes to dance music it's staggering. Pidgeon-holed to fuck, some of you are lol soo true
Socky
3367 Posts
Brisbane
Rave MusicWell maybe not the whole point, but one of the advantages
Little edits here and there to suit a djs preference is what I'm on about, hardly creative but I don't see the problem? Regardless of the track being edited or not, a djs skill is in playing the right track at the right time for the right effect on crowd they're playing to.
Was there not an argument on here ages back about hard house not lending itself to being edited and fucked about with, I think it was eufex who was on about releasing tracks in such a way a dj had the option of being creative with them in terms of arrangement, and everyone agreed with him.
One of my favourite mixes I have on my walkman is DOT's sundis classics mix, a lot of the tracks on it are edited to suit the flow of the set better, again everyone loved it.
I've seen frank farrell talk about editing tracks in one of his livesets that was uploaded on here to fit the way he wanted to play them on the night, again everyone thought it was class.
And now its bollox?
Mark Kavanaghs TDV tribute set is at the top of the mixes section once more, again being heralded as one of the greatest mixes of all time - again its full of edited tracks with samples on top
double standards on here.
editing might not be as creative as some of you would like but at least people are trying to do something with the music.
/rant
Graham House
3287 Posts
Leeds
House styleIn reply toIf you are so good that you feel the need to re-edit them then why not just write your own tracks instead of changing other peoples.That way the track will be just as you want it
Always comes back to this doesn't it
I don't know how to write tracks on my own, studio time is difficult to pay for, its difficult to find an engineer that you click with and can write tracks together, and people who use engineers take stupid amounts of slack for doing so.
Editing tracks is standard procedure for people who use traktor and abelton to dj is it not?
There was a video a few years back of ilogik showing how he used loops and effects to change how echelon flowed - so thats cool as fuck but someone adjusting a track in abelton to make it a bit different is sacrilege?
Exactly.Studio time is difficult to pay for so imagine if said producer has been thinking of a track for ages, then saved up for months to get said track wrote and then some gimp goes and re-writes the whole breakdown after they have put in a lot of effort to even get the track engineered.Of course there is a difference between adding extra loops and effects compared to re-writing the whole breakdown etc.I know for a fact that if the riff that I have been working on for months for when I go see mr.stevens next month got taken out of my track then I would be seriously pissed off
Devo
2265 Posts
Dublin
DevstepIn reply toWell maybe not the whole point, but one of the advantages
Little edits here and there to suit a djs preference is what I'm on about, hardly creative but I don't see the problem? Regardless of the track being edited or not, a djs skill is in playing the right track at the right time for the right effect on crowd they're playing to.
Was there not an argument on here ages back about hard house not lending itself to being edited and fucked about with, I think it was eufex who was on about releasing tracks in such a way a dj had the option of being creative with them in terms of arrangement, and everyone agreed with him.
One of my favourite mixes I have on my walkman is DOT's sundis classics mix, a lot of the tracks on it are edited to suit the flow of the set better, again everyone loved it.
I've seen frank farrell talk about editing tracks in one of his livesets that was uploaded on here to fit the way he wanted to play them on the night, again everyone thought it was class.
And now its bollox?
Mark Kavanaghs TDV tribute set is at the top of the mixes section once more, again being heralded as one of the greatest mixes of all time - again its full of edited tracks with samples on top
double standards on here.
editing might not be as creative as some of you would like but at least people are trying to do something with the music.
/rant
I agree.Not sure but maybe that was in reference to it happening during a DJ set and not some pre-prepared stuff done the night before? You've kinda backed up my argument with that point too. A lot of stuff is criticised for being formulaic but look what happens if it doesn't adhere to that formula! DJs just come along and edit it so it does adhere to a formula!Why not just play tracks that suit the flow. Surely that's one of the skills of DJing.I for one, haven't said it might not sound good at times.Not sure if that's aimed at me but if it is - 
Anyway, if people wish to edit tracks to make them easier to mix then that's their choice. I'll stick to mixing averagely but honestly.
Post edited by owner 12/12/2011 11:13:18 Socky
3367 Posts
Brisbane
Rave MusicWhy not just play tracks that suit the flow. Surely that's one of the skills of DJing.Not sure if that's aimed at me but if it is - Anyway, if people wish to edit tracks to make them easier to mix then that's their choice. I'll stick to mixing averagely but honestly.
You're missing the point - main one I can think of on that mix is the OD404 mix of London Let's Ave Yer - the hoover in it is class but cuts out pretty quick, whats wrong with editing it to carry on a bit longer?
it wasn't, aimed at the board in general, sometimes you see arguments where people argue that black is actually blue and then in another thread the same people argue that blue is really in fact black
I mix pretty average myself but editing tracks is nothing about making it easier, its about adjusting the tracks to what I want them to do, but anyways, agree to disagree
Devo
2265 Posts
Dublin
DevstepIn reply toYou're missing the point - main one I can think of on that mix is the OD404 mix of London Let's Ave Yer - the hoover in it is class but cuts out pretty quick, whats wrong with editing it to carry on a bit longer?
it wasn't, aimed at the board in general, sometimes you see arguments where people argue that black is actually blue and then in another thread the same people argue that blue is really in fact black
I mix pretty average myself but editing tracks is nothing about making it easier, its about adjusting the tracks to what I want them to do, but anyways, agree to disagree
Nothing wrong as such and I get where you are coming from with the example.
I am being slightly argumentative but I still think DJing should be about the ability to put tracks together as they are. The creativity should really be coming from the producers.Agree to disagree.
tmcg.
4900 Posts
Berlin/AKL
hi-tech soulWill this got colourful
I've never edited tracks to make them easier to mix, not at all.
I'll make an edit of track in such a way as to make it more clubby, or more percussive or whatever..
I've got tracks that i love, but just aren't clubby enough to play out, so i've gone through and added a bigger kick drum, beefed up the bassline and added in percussion so that it works better in a club situation..
Same goes with disco stuff, theres tonnes of old disco records that are cool, but doing a small housey edit by changing the kick/percussion makes them work better on the floor..
It's just another term for a bootleg.
And then there are more simple edits like taking out part of a breakdown or adding a vocal or sample in or whatever...
Sometimes when you hear a track, you're like 'wow such and such a vocal would sound perfect with this'
Post edited by owner 12/12/2011 1:46:20 PM Hoover slut
22669 Posts
Southend
Nasty As FuckIn reply toIn reply toWell maybe not the whole point, but one of the advantages
Little edits here and there to suit a djs preference is what I'm on about, hardly creative but I don't see the problem? Regardless of the track being edited or not, a djs skill is in playing the right track at the right time for the right effect on crowd they're playing to.
Was there not an argument on here ages back about hard house not lending itself to being edited and fucked about with, I think it was eufex who was on about releasing tracks in such a way a dj had the option of being creative with them in terms of arrangement, and everyone agreed with him.
One of my favourite mixes I have on my walkman is DOT's sundis classics mix, a lot of the tracks on it are edited to suit the flow of the set better, again everyone loved it.
I've seen frank farrell talk about editing tracks in one of his livesets that was uploaded on here to fit the way he wanted to play them on the night, again everyone thought it was class.
And now its bollox?
Mark Kavanaghs TDV tribute set is at the top of the mixes section once more, again being heralded as one of the greatest mixes of all time - again its full of edited tracks with samples on top
double standards on here.
editing might not be as creative as some of you would like but at least people are trying to do something with the music.
/rant
I agree.Not sure but maybe that was in reference to it happening during a DJ set and not some pre-prepared stuff done the night before? You've kinda backed up my argument with that point too. A lot of stuff is criticised for being formulaic but look what happens if it doesn't adhere to that formula! DJs just come along and edit it so it does adhere to a formula!Why not just play tracks that suit the flow. Surely that's one of the skills of DJing.I for one, haven't said it might not sound good at times.Not sure if that's aimed at me but if it is - Anyway, if people wish to edit tracks to make them easier to mix then that's their choice. I'll stick to mixing averagely but honestly.
Alex?
GeneticJunk
3018 Posts
Leeds
Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply to
double standards on here.
init! if glazby or farley did it you lot would be bumming it!
it acutally amazes me how narrow minded some of you are
WONGA!
23604 Posts
In reply to
You've never put a record on and hit the play button and it's been on 33 instead of 45 and thought, "hey wow that sounds pretty cool
Never
I've got a few tracks that I genuinely don't know whether they are meant to be played at 33 or 45
Graham House
3287 Posts
Leeds
House styleIn reply toIn reply to
double standards on here.
init! if glazby or farley did it you lot would be bumming it!
it acutally amazes me how narrow minded some of you are
I dont think so well not in my case anyway.It would not matter who did it.I would still be pissed if they ripped out the main breakdown riff and replaced it with something else
tmcg.
4900 Posts
Berlin/AKL
hi-tech soulIn reply toIn reply to
You've never put a record on and hit the play button and it's been on 33 instead of 45 and thought, "hey wow that sounds pretty cool
Never
I've got a few tracks that I genuinely don't know whether they are meant to be played at 33 or 45
yeh i've definitely got a few that are like that.
4D Meow
1463 Posts
In reply toIn reply toIn reply toWell maybe not the whole point, but one of the advantages
Little edits here and there to suit a djs preference is what I'm on about, hardly creative but I don't see the problem? Regardless of the track being edited or not, a djs skill is in playing the right track at the right time for the right effect on crowd they're playing to.
Was there not an argument on here ages back about hard house not lending itself to being edited and fucked about with, I think it was eufex who was on about releasing tracks in such a way a dj had the option of being creative with them in terms of arrangement, and everyone agreed with him.
One of my favourite mixes I have on my walkman is DOT's sundis classics mix, a lot of the tracks on it are edited to suit the flow of the set better, again everyone loved it.
I've seen frank farrell talk about editing tracks in one of his livesets that was uploaded on here to fit the way he wanted to play them on the night, again everyone thought it was class.
And now its bollox?
Mark Kavanaghs TDV tribute set is at the top of the mixes section once more, again being heralded as one of the greatest mixes of all time - again its full of edited tracks with samples on top
double standards on here.
editing might not be as creative as some of you would like but at least people are trying to do something with the music.
/rant
I agree.Not sure but maybe that was in reference to it happening during a DJ set and not some pre-prepared stuff done the night before? You've kinda backed up my argument with that point too. A lot of stuff is criticised for being formulaic but look what happens if it doesn't adhere to that formula! DJs just come along and edit it so it does adhere to a formula!Why not just play tracks that suit the flow. Surely that's one of the skills of DJing.I for one, haven't said it might not sound good at times.Not sure if that's aimed at me but if it is - Anyway, if people wish to edit tracks to make them easier to mix then that's their choice. I'll stick to mixing averagely but honestly.
Alex?
fuck tbh this even trumps my effort
Graham House
3287 Posts
Leeds
House styleIn reply toIn reply to
double standards on here.
init! if glazby or farley did it you lot would be bumming it!
it acutally amazes me how narrow minded some of you are
Gaz has a fair point Steve.You are always slating people on here.I think you will find that I am not even close to being narrow minded when it comes to music.I mix virtually every style of music(apart from trance&electro). I also have a very broad taste in music, listening to everything from pop,rock,metal,hardhouse,techno,breaks,drum and bass,classical.Basically I listen to anything and everything, a good song is a good song regardless of what genre of music it fits into.It's about having a little respect.If a record does not fit into your set because of the breakdown riff etc then play another song ffs.I thought dj-ing was about playing tracks that fit together well so you can blend them easier into one another and not about playing hostile followed by wham bam thank you mam with a beefed up bassline 'so it fits'
GeneticJunk
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Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply toIn reply toIn reply to
double standards on here.
init! if glazby or farley did it you lot would be bumming it!
it acutally amazes me how narrow minded some of you are
Gaz has a fair point Steve.You are always slating people on here.
yea maybe i do, but i have never gotten personal / used nasty remarks simply becasuse i dont agree with someones opinion
Post edited by owner 13/12/2011 18:54:22 Graham House
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House styleIn reply toIn reply toIn reply toIn reply to
double standards on here.
init! if glazby or farley did it you lot would be bumming it!
it acutally amazes me how narrow minded some of you are
Gaz has a fair point Steve.You are always slating people on here.
yea maybe i do, but i have never gotten personal / used nasty remarks simply becasuse i dont agree with someones opinion
That's a fair point, nor have I though
Graham House
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whats your views on editing album tracks so they can be played out then? is that just as bad?
If you think about it - if someone edits a track to the extent where they have replaced the main breakdown riff with another one then in effect they have remixed that track without permission.Now if you get permission to remix said track that is fair enough.But to just remix sorry I mean edit a track without permission is disrespectful IMO
Of course it is.If anything that is worse Equinox
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Ultimately I don't think many producers would care how butchered a track was to be played out as long as it wasn't resold or redistributed. I'd hazard a guess more people are offended when they are edited and then the person adds their name to the credit, e.g Equinox - Immure - Barry Ballbags edit
Even commercially tracks get shortened and edited in mixes or releases. I've had quite a few edited, part of a break cut from a remix on Nukleuz, 8 bars here and there on albums to keep in the timeline etc.
GeneticJunk
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Who has the spare time to edit tracks really? I guess I would if I did but really I cbf, would much rather be spending my time wanking or playing video games. Tracks in HH these days fit pretty well together anyway so what's the point? If a track doesn't fit well mixed with another track, don't play them together.
no one said we was just talking about hard house, im mainly on about psy & techno
as for spare time, it doesnt take long if your just rearranging it
Graham House
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House styleIn reply toIn reply to
Who has the spare time to edit tracks really? I guess I would if I did but really I cbf, would much rather be spending my time wanking or playing video games. Tracks in HH these days fit pretty well together anyway so what's the point? If a track doesn't fit well mixed with another track, don't play them together.
no one said we was just talking about hard house, im mainly on about psy & technoas for spare time, it doesnt take long if your just rearranging it
so why did you have to start saying that all the hardhouse people on here are narrow minded
Socky
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Rave Music.If a record does not fit into your set because of the breakdown riff etc then play another song ffs.I thought dj-ing was about playing tracks that fit together well so you can blend them easier into one another and not about playing hostile followed by wham bam thank you mam with a beefed up bassline 'so it fits'
We're on about adjusting tracks to suit a djs style, as for making them easier to mix in many cases it makes them harder because you end up tidying them up, most of the tracks I edited come down to under 6 mins whereas a lot of tracks go on for up to 8 (just rough figures before anyone throws their toys at me
) - I just cut out the filler sections or cut down on what I consider boring sections so that my sets hammer along nicely instead of the crowd that I was playing to get bored.
Its nothing to do with making tracks that would never sound good together 'fit' - its about adjusting the track you've bought and plan to play out.
Karim 'edits' tracks on a higher level with his bootlegs to make them work for him, again that's cool but for the rest of us its not.
Get fucked
edit - harder as in you have less time to mix with, less options for cue points etc, have to be more on the ball with mixer work because the tracks end up shorter and coming at you a lot quicker, for me anyways.
Post edited by owner 14/12/2011 10:44:40 GeneticJunk
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Hardhouse/Psy/TechnoIn reply toIn reply toIn reply to
Who has the spare time to edit tracks really? I guess I would if I did but really I cbf, would much rather be spending my time wanking or playing video games. Tracks in HH these days fit pretty well together anyway so what's the point? If a track doesn't fit well mixed with another track, don't play them together.
no one said we was just talking about hard house, im mainly on about psy & technoas for spare time, it doesnt take long if your just rearranging it
so why did you have to start saying that all the hardhouse people on here are narrow minded
if u acutally read what i put, i didnt, i said some of you
Graham House
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House styleIn reply to.If a record does not fit into your set because of the breakdown riff etc then play another song ffs.I thought dj-ing was about playing tracks that fit together well so you can blend them easier into one another and not about playing hostile followed by wham bam thank you mam with a beefed up bassline 'so it fits'
We're on about adjusting tracks to suit a djs style, as for making them easier to mix in many cases it makes them harder because you end up tidying them up, most of the tracks I edited come down to under 6 mins whereas a lot of tracks go on for up to 8 (just rough figures before anyone throws their toys at me
) - I just cut out the filler sections or cut down on what I consider boring sections so that my sets hammer along nicely instead of the crowd that I was playing to get bored.
Its nothing to do with making tracks that would never sound good together 'fit' - its about adjusting the track you've bought and plan to play out.
Karim 'edits' tracks on a higher level with his bootlegs to make them work for him, again that's cool but for the rest of us its not.
Get fucked
edit - harder as in you have less time to mix with, less options for cue points etc, have to be more on the ball with mixer work because the tracks end up shorter and coming at you a lot quicker, for me anyways.
By the sounds of it you are more remixing them than editing them which if you dont have permission is just wrong.Now I could not give 2 shites if karim does it as he is a rip off merchant anyway.Like I said if you want tracks that fit into your tracks so well then write them yourself or go to a sound engineer.At least Karim does that
Graham House
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I was saying it was narrow minded to suggest that just because something was made at say 150 bpm, that meant it was wrong to play it at like 120 or whatever...
I dont have any problem with that.Some old skool hardhouse sounds pretty good pitched down.A bit like funky house but better
Socky
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Rave MusicBy the sounds of it you are more remixing them than editing them
I'm not
Far from remixing them, just a bit of chopping and looping.
Kinda like the arguments for and against it are going in this thread - same arguments just rearranged slightly to suit the viewpoint
Graham House
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House styleIn reply toBy the sounds of it you are more remixing them than editing them
I'm not
Far from remixing them, just a bit of chopping and looping.
Kinda like the arguments for and against it are going in this thread - same arguments just rearranged slightly to suit the viewpoint Each to there own I suppose