Tidy Boys Fail?

He didn't say that though. He named artists he liked didn't he? I don't think the thread needs to descend into people slagging off individuals though.

Thanks james, I did mentio artists i liked and there are a few more, I never said anything bad about any other artists.

Not slagging anybody off, I've obviously interpreted it incorrectly.  

Really doesn't need to descend into arguing because so and so not listing every single artist and leaving one out.  

I agree, my fault.  Sorry everybody 

It was just me being an  mate.  

 I didn't mean you, sorry. Just the way the thread is going it would be better if people don't start slagging off individuals. better off sticking to debating the sound/scene itself. It's a small scene and we all know each other to a certain extent.

Well done Venkman.. it was going so well until you barged in.. 

 I'm not usually one to start trouble on here either.

And I actually agree with John anyway. I love the groovy stuff!

Look, its like this - if the sound we all know and love is to develop and grow we all need to think outside the box, not copy what was made in the 97 to 2002 period but take note of the spirit that drove it, everyone including the people who are on the ball with what they are producing need to take a step back and see what else they can do with it, and the rest need to stop listening to their buddies telling them what they are making is fantabolous and look at how they can make it better, people running nights need to look at how they can promote gigs better and get the interest of people who aren't interested in it, and labels need to stop releasing tracks either to keep the schedule lit or because so n so made it, or else the scene will dwindle - the reason people keep on harping on about older tracks and keep reaching for the sets when listening or tracks when playing is because it simply was better to listen to.

Very well said mate.

people seem to forget that when the music was hard and techy, there was still a fuck load more people into than there is now

Thing is, there are numpties that do this, but do it all wrong. People making 'hard fidget' 'hard garage' ive even heard of a 'hard electrik' this weekend and associating it under hard house!! I mean WTF!!!

Rather than labelling it hard/techy/serious vs tradey/funky/fun whatever, the real difference between then and now is the lack of a real hook. i don't recall RR Fierce's biggest tracks being anything other than fucking nails, yet they were massive then and now. the fact is that the big tracks from back then had a unique hook, and it is just very hard to produce the same sort of hook these days without copying something, especially in the harder end of the scene where to the untrained ear it really must all 'sound the same'. We need proper riffs, unique sounds for synths maybe stolen from other scenes or something, vocals, remixes of commercial songs even.

Isn't that the kind of thing Gaz just slated though Dave?  

Johnny didn't get the recognition until later on unfortunately. He had a niche following at the time but, definitely as the scene changed his music was appreciated more broadly. Same for a lot of artists of similar ilk at the time. 

Very well said curtis
thats why people love the old stuff, coz its catchy as fuck!

Old and new, these are some examples of tracks which can be built on off the top of my head. Luckily people like J;ME took the time to upload them!  Different variety of melodies, basses, styles, serious music but still very very 'fun' to mosh to.... There's so much scope!

Thats bang on Jay.

There's taking various sounds from different genres, then there's totally disgarding anything do do with the hard house sound and shoving it down our throats

Hardhouse has its own formula, break that and its not hardhouse anymore.