How to Master my own tracks

 
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5 months ago
John Reilly
jpr Pic514 Posts
IrelandMullingar
Music Style Hardhouse

I would like to learn how to master my own tracks, what is the correct mastering chain.

If the mixdown is spot on is there much of a mastering process needed.

Any info on mastering would be great.

Also, do you al master your own stuff.


Post edited by owner 16/12/2011 17:48:11
5 months ago
Cilla Battersby
daveclarke Pic21836 Posts
United KingdomWorcester
Music Style Techno
buy the music tech focus on mastering
5 months ago
Iain
2456 Posts
United KingdomManchester
theres no 'correct' way.  but the tools you would use could be any or all of the following

Frequency analysis and corrective EQ
compression
parallel compression
multiband compression
limiting
dithering
stereo width analysis
Peak Volume and RMS analysis to check levels to ensure the track is comparably loud with commercial mixes (or other suitable reference material)
fades - at the start and end of the tracks
testing mixes on several sets of speakers and adjusting frequency content to get the best balance across different monitors

Post edited by owner 16/12/2011 19:16:07
5 months ago
Gopal
1936 Posts
New ZealandAuckland
Music Style Doof Doof
It is highly recommended that you don't master your own tracks. A fresh set of well trained ears is a massive asset in this area.
5 months ago
tmcg.
disekt Pic4900 Posts
New ZealandBerlin/AKL
Music Style hi-tech soul
i've always been told that you shouldn't master your own music
5 months ago
GeneticJunk
kingston Pic3018 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hardhouse/Psy/Techno
In reply to
It is highly recommended that you don't master your own tracks. A fresh set of well trained ears is a massive asset in this area.
that, unless you are really good at doing it yourself, allthough in hard house i guess its norm really.

i know alot of sa psy artists use Artifakt  for their mastering, some of the best ive heard tbf


5 months ago
AMH
amh Pic1136 Posts
United KingdomHalifax
Music Style Hard Stuff

To be fair mate, the majority of people master their own stuff just because they can't afford a mastering engineer...

 

first I ensure the kick and bass are of equal volume (RMS!!!! not peak!), then check that no sounds come within a dB or two of these...

 

At an amateur level, the best advice I can give is remove uneeded frequencies from sounds that dont need them (cutting all the bass out of everything except the kick and bass is a good start (I use 140hz and below).

 

Next is compression used in a transparent manner on sounds that are pushing high levels on their peaks, (kicks, claps and punchy sounds usually the ones), this is just to tame the peaks, the RMS will be the same (unless you gain after), but the peak will obviously be lower...

 

Next, hands down the best limiter/maximizer imo is elephant. I use the punchy preset on the master, and then tweak to get it sounding as natural as possible. The better you get at the first steps, the more you can push the limiter without getting a dog shit sound. Also, alot of people cut 30hz and below, but this can affect the higher sounds due to harmonics, and so I tend to cut 20hz and below to play it safe.

 

Truth is, people will cry and say no no no no no no to self mastering, but 99.9% of tunes on the forums are mastered by the guys who created them. Also, if you send a tune as a demo, and it is 9dB too quiet no matter hiow well produced, most labels wont even see the track start to end. This is a 'rough' method, but at least it will set you off. At our level, the trick is to make it as transparent as possible, you can use a limiter and get a few transparent dB louder even on a bad produced track, but spending time on each individual sound getting it to sound the same or louder with lower peaks, will get you the best results from the mastering limiter.

 

 

5 months ago
Iain
2456 Posts
United KingdomManchester
In reply to

To be fair mate, the majority of people master their own stuff just because they can't afford a mastering engineer...

 

first I ensure the kick and bass are of equal volume (RMS!!!! not peak!), then check that no sounds come within a dB or two of these...

 

At an amateur level, the best advice I can give is remove uneeded frequencies from sounds that dont need them (cutting all the bass out of everything except the kick and bass is a good start (I use 140hz and below).

 

Next is compression used in a transparent manner on sounds that are pushing high levels on their peaks, (kicks, claps and punchy sounds usually the ones), this is just to tame the peaks, the RMS will be the same (unless you gain after), but the peak will obviously be lower...

 

Next, hands down the best limiter/maximizer imo is elephant. I use the punchy preset on the master, and then tweak to get it sounding as natural as possible. The better you get at the first steps, the more you can push the limiter without getting a dog shit sound. Also, alot of people cut 30hz and below, but this can affect the higher sounds due to harmonics, and so I tend to cut 20hz and below to play it safe.

 

Truth is, people will cry and say no no no no no no to self mastering, but 99.9% of tunes on the forums are mastered by the guys who created them. Also, if you send a tune as a demo, and it is 9dB too quiet no matter hiow well produced, most labels wont even see the track start to end. This is a 'rough' method, but at least it will set you off. At our level, the trick is to make it as transparent as possible, you can use a limiter and get a few transparent dB louder even on a bad produced track, but spending time on each individual sound getting it to sound the same or louder with lower peaks, will get you the best results from the mastering limiter.

 

 


there is only one bit of the above which is mastering - the limiter.  The rest is mixdown and would be done by the producer not the mastering engineer...


5 months ago
matt damage
121 Posts
Watchtower Records
Music Style Hard Trance and Freeform
Check out safeandsound mastering online. We've just used Barry for our first release (a Freeform album) and he's extremely professional, knowledgeable and the masters sound awesome. His prices are also really competitive considering the equipment he uses and experience he has had.
Will definitely be using him for the next Watchtower release, well worth the money.
5 months ago
NICKtheGreek
nickthegreek Pic2547 Posts
United KingdomSeaton
Music Style The Dance Music
In reply to
In reply to

To be fair mate, the majority of people master their own stuff just because they can't afford a mastering engineer...

 

first I ensure the kick and bass are of equal volume (RMS!!!! not peak!), then check that no sounds come within a dB or two of these...

 

At an amateur level, the best advice I can give is remove uneeded frequencies from sounds that dont need them (cutting all the bass out of everything except the kick and bass is a good start (I use 140hz and below).

 

Next is compression used in a transparent manner on sounds that are pushing high levels on their peaks, (kicks, claps and punchy sounds usually the ones), this is just to tame the peaks, the RMS will be the same (unless you gain after), but the peak will obviously be lower...

 

Next, hands down the best limiter/maximizer imo is elephant. I use the punchy preset on the master, and then tweak to get it sounding as natural as possible. The better you get at the first steps, the more you can push the limiter without getting a dog shit sound. Also, alot of people cut 30hz and below, but this can affect the higher sounds due to harmonics, and so I tend to cut 20hz and below to play it safe.

 

Truth is, people will cry and say no no no no no no to self mastering, but 99.9% of tunes on the forums are mastered by the guys who created them. Also, if you send a tune as a demo, and it is 9dB too quiet no matter hiow well produced, most labels wont even see the track start to end. This is a 'rough' method, but at least it will set you off. At our level, the trick is to make it as transparent as possible, you can use a limiter and get a few transparent dB louder even on a bad produced track, but spending time on each individual sound getting it to sound the same or louder with lower peaks, will get you the best results from the mastering limiter.

 

 


there is only one bit of the above which is mastering - the limiter.  The rest is mixdown and would be done by the producer not the mastering engineer...


 

Still good advice tho..

5 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
In reply to

I would like to learn how to master my own tracks, what is the correct mastering chain.

If the mixdown is spot on is there much of a mastering process needed.

Any info on mastering would be great.

Also, do you al master your own stuff.


There is no particular 'correct' mastering chain to use, how you process a track (or not) depends completely on the source material.

If the mixdown is spot on, it translates and you don't want it altered in any way, there is no need to have it mastered unless you are trying to match it up with other tracks for a release (ie for an album release)

Having said that, most people are using small nearfield monitors to mix tracks on and are pretty much unaware of what's going on in the bottom octave of their track because they can't hear it. This makes mastering on small nearfields quite a hit and miss affair.

Having mastered tons of tracks I can say there are 3 main problems I come up against.

1: the track has way too much sub bass
2: the track has no bass at all because it has every element high passed to death
3: it doesn't work in mono.

You can solve phase problems by mixing in mono but the bass levels are more or less impossible to judge unless your monitoring/room is balanced and capable.

The only way you can get close is by comparing to other tracks - but don't compare to tracks that sound good in your room, pick tracks that sound good in clubs.  You will often find that the tracks that sound the best on a big sound system won't sound good in your own room. This is usually because the setup in your room is wrong somehow.

There are many other things I could mention to be honest but if you think your room is sound go ahead - the key is to use your ears and learn how your eq/compressors and other processors work inside out. Then you need to learn when (and if) to apply them.

The main thing to keep in mind is that mastering will not save a poor mixdown.





Post edited by owner 22/12/2011 09:42:07
5 months ago
Pero
262 Posts
United KingdomLondon
Music Style Hard Banging Shit
Listen to the man. He knows his shit. wink
5 months ago
AMH
amh Pic1136 Posts
United KingdomHalifax
Music Style Hard Stuff

Iain I have to disagree slightly about the only part of my adivce of mastering is the limiter. A lot of pro mastering engineers will ask you for the stems of each track with the EQ and compressors removed.

 

This way they can get the level of each track perfect etc. Mastering chains can effect the individual sounds in the mix, and from what i've seen after a mastering chain, they will refer back to the mix to fine tune the levels and EQ, to get the perfect master... and keep the integrity of the original sound.

 

Even the ones that use the final wave/aiff, will still tell you to remove all compressors in the mix. That said, I've seen some just smash a hardware limiter on, run it through an analogue mixing desk to color it, then charge 20 quid for the track, which to me is a joke.

 

In the big world, you have the musician, a producer, a mix engineer, and a mastering engineer... so obviously peoples opinion of where one starts and the other ends are going to differ when every man and his dog on BT have a bash at all!

 

 

 

 


Post edited by owner 21/12/2011 22:46:21
5 months ago
Iain
2456 Posts
United KingdomManchester
In reply to

Iain I have to disagree slightly about the only part of my adivce of mastering is the limiter. A lot of pro mastering engineers will ask you for the stems of each track with the EQ and compressors removed.

 

This way they can get the level of each track perfect etc. Mastering chains can effect the individual sounds in the mix, and from what i've seen after a mastering chain, they will refer back to the mix to fine tune the levels and EQ, to get the perfect master... and keep the integrity of the original sound.

 

Even the ones that use the final wave/aiff, will still tell you to remove all compressors in the mix. That said, I've seen some just smash a hardware limiter on, run it through an analogue mixing desk to color it, then charge 20 quid for the track, which to me is a joke.

 

In the big world, you have the musician, a producer, a mix engineer, and a mastering engineer... so obviously peoples opinion of where one starts and the other ends are going to differ when every man and his dog on BT have a bash at all!

 

 

 

 


sorry i wasnt being critical, its all good advice.  Stem mastering will cost you more and isnt really mastering in the traditional sense - ie polishing one wav file to make it sound good, more advanced mixdown.  its all part of the process though of making stuff sound better supercool
5 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
In reply to

Iain I have to disagree slightly about the only part of my adivce of mastering is the limiter. A lot of pro mastering engineers will ask you for the stems of each track with the EQ and compressors removed.

 

This way they can get the level of each track perfect etc. Mastering chains can effect the individual sounds in the mix, and from what i've seen after a mastering chain, they will refer back to the mix to fine tune the levels and EQ, to get the perfect master... and keep the integrity of the original sound.

 

Even the ones that use the final wave/aiff, will still tell you to remove all compressors in the mix. That said, I've seen some just smash a hardware limiter on, run it through an analogue mixing desk to color it, then charge 20 quid for the track, which to me is a joke.

 

In the big world, you have the musician, a producer, a mix engineer, and a mastering engineer... so obviously peoples opinion of where one starts and the other ends are going to differ when every man and his dog on BT have a bash at all!

 


You might get asked to take the compressors off the master buss, but I doubt anyone would tell you to take all the compressors out of the mix as it would doubtless fall apart.

Just wanting to clarify that point for anyone reading.thumbsup

5 months ago
Matt Capitani
mattcapitani Pic4732 Posts
United KingdomMidlands
Music Style Ska mania
In reply to

Iain I have to disagree slightly about the only part of my adivce of mastering is the limiter. A lot of pro mastering engineers will ask you for the stems of each track with the EQ and compressors removed.

 

This way they can get the level of each track perfect etc. Mastering chains can effect the individual sounds in the mix, and from what i've seen after a mastering chain, they will refer back to the mix to fine tune the levels and EQ, to get the perfect master... and keep the integrity of the original sound.

 

Even the ones that use the final wave/aiff, will still tell you to remove all compressors in the mix. That said, I've seen some just smash a hardware limiter on, run it through an analogue mixing desk to color it, then charge 20 quid for the track, which to me is a joke.

 

In the big world, you have the musician, a producer, a mix engineer, and a mastering engineer... so obviously peoples opinion of where one starts and the other ends are going to differ when every man and his dog on BT have a bash at all!

 

 

 

 


That thumbsup well said mate... expensive gear doesnt mean shit if it isnt used correctly and attention to detail smile
5 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
I think the biggest problem is people reading too many tutorials/magazine articles/interviews and getting misled by it all. It's not nearly as complicated as some people make it out to be.

I went to loads of mastering sessions back in the day as everything  released on vinyl had to pass by a proper mastering engineer.

If you want to get into mastering I suggest booking an attended mastering session at somewhere like Abbey Road (they have a great canteen and you may run into somebody famous in the process, lol). Ask the guy what he is doing to your track and why...

For what it's worth there was a phase recently where everyone was obsessed with a certain set of house producers who 'mastered' their own stuff. They've since said they didn't really know what they were doing and they let someone else do it now! (It was always remastered anyway) laughing

It made me laugh because while people were convinced they were mastering with some secret mastering chain I had the guy that really mastered their stuff contact me to see if I wanted anything doingbiggrin



Post edited by owner 22/12/2011 11:20:45
5 months ago
Equinox
jaytranzmit Pic15497 Posts
United Kingdom
I miss cutting sessions and the whole process for a vinyl release frown 
5 months ago
Elasticman
hardasfunk Pic703 Posts
United Kingdom
Music Style Limited Edition
In reply to
I miss cutting sessions and the whole process for a vinyl release frown 
too true thumbsup

then the wait for the test pressings...love
5 months ago
Equinox
jaytranzmit Pic15497 Posts
United Kingdom
I'm not ashamed to admit I used to get quite excited every time the parcel arrived laughing      
5 months ago
Matt Capitani
mattcapitani Pic4732 Posts
United KingdomMidlands
Music Style Ska mania
I just wank about compression laughing
5 months ago
John Reilly
jpr Pic514 Posts
IrelandMullingar
Music Style Hardhouse
Thanks for the comments, some very useful tips from the master.
5 months ago
Pat Glenny
pluce Pic3011 Posts
United KingdomDerby
Music Style Hard
Firstly if your setup isn't right (as previously stated) get it done professionally. You can learn all you want about mastering but if your room isn't set up right then it won't matter. If your room is sound, then pracice and judgement is all you need. For the record i know nothing about mastering, just common sense lol

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