Most difficult console/arcade game you've played?

Ikaruga has to take tat spot .. can't even do it on easy ... don't be fooled by this video making it look easy though ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGNSdcy-apU

the only reason the games mentioned were hard is because the controls were so shoddy,too sensitive or not sensitive enough.

...remember the original mario.

Most of the controls in those old games were built like that to make it hard. I don't think they were necessarily bad controls. Arcade games were supposed to be hard, otherwise they wouldn't make any money. A lot of early console games were just trying to replicate this.

These days most games are riddiculously easy or to make them "hard" they just change the amount of energy you and/or the enemies had.

The games back in the day, were HARD. Kids have got it too easy these days

I know, sad hey!

I am a pretty hardcore gamer. I grew up playing arcade games like all the ones that have been mentioned. I was pretty decent at SF2 and in the last couple of years started playing SF4. I would have loved to have gone to Japan in the late 90's, it would have been sick for games. Was still good getting there at last. A couple of days I just sat in a smokey arcade playing anyone I could

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Street Fighter 4 in a Japanese arcade is pretty hardcore! Thats one of the main reasons I went to Japan last year, to play some decent Street Fighter players. They were as hard as I was expecting Did alright for myself though. Must have played 100 games.

You do know you can play Japanese players on xbox live.... Right? 

Yeah I played a bit of SF4 online on the PS3 but its not the same. I love sitting in an Arcade playing someone opposite you. Also SF is super twich based and unless you have a perfect connection you are losing milliseconds across the internet which is the difference between winning and losing.

Also you don't get to choose who you play online.

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Oh, and those three optional bosses at the end of Final Fantasy 7 were absolute cunts. That and those super fiends you could generate in FFX.

Ruby, Emerald and Ultima? I actually found em quite easy, but i was liek 15 when i had it n spent hours n hours n hours levelling up n such, dont think i could be arsed now.

FF X Was ridiculous for that. Unless u did the tonberry level up trick u could literally spend 100+ hours maxing out the sphere grid in order to take on pennance. Was playing X the other day n ending up smashing my only ps2 controller trying to do that fucking chocobo race to get Tidus' ultimate weapon 

I have a 200+ hr save game for FFX somewhere.  I beat everything but wanted to max out everything and the "winning spheres off the eartheater in the monster arena to then transform into some other type of sphere" grind became too much.  Gave it up.  Also...blitz ball?  Wank ball, more like.

FF8 tops the lot for me.

Contra 1, 2, 3, 4 etc

AKA Hard Corps Uprising on 360 arcade.