Oldskool pills making a comeback?

I've been hearing a lot of things lately from old mates who I used to go clubbing with back in the day but who have since 'retired' that the market at the moment has been flooded with 'proper' pills costing £10 plus but guaranteeing a decent dose of real MDMA (120mg plus).

I packed in the pharmaceuticals a while back but the past couple of times I've been out drinking in Leeds I've seen some right gurners. Can anyone vouch for the existence of these 'proper' pills or is it a load of bollocks?

Ive tried a few and i haven't felt the effects i did 10yrs ago, nowhere near, my first 2yrs taking them they were immense and thay were far from the doves of the early 90's.

Ive had DC10's and Lego's. 

That's why I stopped doing them years ago, I only ever did them once every 2-3 months but even then I had to take 5 or 6 just to get a couple of hours buzz then just went straight into a massive comedown.

Nowhere near the same experience as when I first did them i.e. 1 pill would keep you buzzing for 12 hours.

I'm pretty sure MDMA does damage or at least alter your serotonin system, only real way to explain the reduced 'buzz' capacity.

I reckon im just about out of Serotonin, i got greedy from when i was 15 up until i was about 23. I love my 2ci and 2cb these days, such a fucking laugh, visually they arent too intense and you get sucked into music and laugh like fuck for hours, like a mild controllable acid, really good shit.

Always had a good time on the 2C's. Not too intense stimulation and nice visuals.

My favourite drug by far, had some new 2cb over xmas and it was pretty intense but you dont get the psychological effects of strong acid or shrooms. Seen people freak on it but each to there own, ive had nothing but a good time on it. 

The last year here where I live there has been really good ones floating around..Blue Lacosts doing the rounds at the moment i think. I got  Orange Apples aswell a few months back and they blew the head off me after a couple of them...

i had 2 of these pyramid things on nye. think they were pg tips or summat. not too heavy and a nice buzz. fuck all compared to mitsubishis in 98 tho

A friend of mine just ordered some called 'red defqons' online from a bloke in Amsterdam. 180-220mg of MDMA in each one apparently. He's going to sell them for £12 or £6 to makes so might give one a go in the coming weekends.

Ebay for drugs 

Yeah its rediculous how blatant this online ordering has gotten. First it was 'herbal weed' then it was mepedrone an the rest now it just seems that there's plenty of people advertising Class A wares all over the show.

Well i was sledging all the way home in the car so not sure if i liked them or not, thats the problem, i think sledging is a waste of time, i love been hyper and alert, not monging in a corner. 

every time i go to dance safe website, everything is garbage pretty much except the molly http://dancesafe.org/weblinks/dancesafe/testing-kit-video-0

Sledging is the reason I stopped taking pills & MDMA altogether - there was no high - just all sledge. Fuck that. Sitting in a corner unable to open my eyes & join in. Thats not for me!

Yeah the good ones are making a come back, but at those prices you'd be better off buying a G of MDMA. 

The problem being imo is that I always had a high tolerance to pills even back int day.I always had to take them in twos or more or they just would not do anything yet most of my mates would be boshed after one of them
I much prefer to just have little dabs of ket instead, not enough to put you in a hole just enough to give you the slight tingly buzzy feeling

And generally the other things are something  that you certainly would not be eating  if you knew what they were

just found a very interesting forum after reading that thanks

Such forums are full of scammers. Be careful.

Onion or GTF.

Avoid the T***x forums. Full of scammers apparently.

Not had any of the pills that are about, the MDMA crystal I have been getting is the bollocks though..

I can get proper grey / purple mandy crystals very easy, but yeah, the threshold between feeling really good and completely overdoing it is narrow. The last time I did it I just did a little bump before going out and had an amazing night, but then bombed about 70mg when we got home after sobering up and was completely couch-locked for an hour sledging away not really rushing just feeling monged.

Plus I do find it a completely different experience to the 'rush' of good pills. Is it really because they put extra ingredients into the pills i.e. phet?

Always feel wrecked the next day after even 1 or 2 pills but never seem to have any problem with mandy no matter how much I've taken. Usually completely ok to go about my business the next day.

will make sure first with rep and small orders

I love the couchlock, proper comfy  as much as getting the rush, the trick is to force yourself stand up and do stuff, trouble is you soon end up rushing that hard you have to sit down again 

So would a combination of phet and mdma be the way to go? Or was there some other magical ingredient in pills back in the day?

i find it difficut to believe that non of you know what the fuck youre talking about. here is the 411;
MDMA, real MDMA is synthesised on top of Meth Amphetamine (speed), the MA in MDMA, this is where the endless energy comes from, and these were the pills of yester year we all miss. since then cooks realised that they can make more money from selling meth then they could from mdma and it was a shit load cheaper and easier to cook. so all the crap effects that caused all of us to stop buying pills are because we were eating, at best MDA or MDEA which does not contain the cruical meth.
but more probable is that we were eating complete and utter shit. now since most developed countrys have had a decent run on meth and realised that the shit really is destructive, people simply dont buy meth anymore. this certainly is the case in NZ, hence the return of real MDMA.

Each to their own etc.

Given the opportunity i'd buzz my tits off

X

I remember when apples where on the market in the late 90s, talk about gettin loved up aaarrrrr!  then mitsubishis flooded the house....fukin shite!

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nothing worse than someone that talks with authority on something they know little about. there is no meth in MDMA, unless someone put it there. 

That means fuck all. Look  it up.

methaphetamine: THE BASE from which mdma is synthesised


mdma


yeah other than the base, no there is no meth in mdma

DRAMATIC IRONY:
the author causes a character to speak or act erroneously, out of ignorance of some portion of the truth of which the audience is aware. In other words, the audience knows the character is making a mistake, even as the character is making it. This technique highlights the importance of a particular truth by portraying a person who is strikingly unaware of it.

I always thought that mdma was a weak form of acid and that is why if you got really strong ones they made you trip - is that wrong?

Locodice, all amphetamines and cathinones share structural similarities, but MDMA is not meth with a few bits stuck on. I suggest you do some research before acting the smartarse.

Its not often I get riled up on the internet but to suggest that the reason pills arent as rushy is because an integral part of MDMA is meth and now theyve stopped putting it in? you fucking idiot.

LOL, glad it's not just me noticed that. thought i was becoming more unhinged than usual. pure mdma has never had speedy type energy. back in the day it was always about e's AND wizz. the more pure pills would keep me going for the night but there's no way i'd have the energy to just keep on dancing unless speed was in the mix. e's were rife with various types of amphetamine, mainly because it complimented the mdma.

are you serious?

no acid involved but mdma is classed as a psychedelic and therefore shares some properties

DRAMATIC IRONY:
the author causes a character to speak or act erroneously, out of ignorance of some portion of the truth of which the audience is aware. In other words, the audience knows the character is making a mistake, even as the character is making it. This technique highlights the importance of a particular truth by portraying a person who is strikingly unaware of it.

Is that actually possible?!

Your right there pal.

i can vouch for the lego pills going round leeds mate, only needed one last night to feel pretty nice, think u need 2 to get proper fucked

was good to see you out at remedy fella, you have a good un?

The £10 Blue ones are good.

No wanky depression in the week, just tiredness.

I took 2 standing at my cousins stall at the weekend..
woppa

Are supposedly pure MDMA crystals actually pure MDMA? Or is it another processed form?

Being that a G of MDMA is 8 optimum doses (125mg) it's odds on that the crystal is impure due to a sloppy synth, can't remember exactly what's what, but all the different colours it comes in indicate certain impurities in the process. It should be white, I've had good stuff in loads of different colours but if it's not white it's not pure. 

Haha yeah was good to see you Steve. Ended up having a proper messy one, great little night.

You can totally tell that there's good pills doing the rounds now. Really friendly vibe in there.

why are you calling me names? where is your arguement that I'm wrong?

here is mine:
your idea of research is what, google?
this probably led you to "E" via a methylenedioxy ring  in the form of
piperonal, isosaferole or safrole, which up untill 1972 this was the only
(pulished) way to make it in six alternatives, and this method riddles the
net in various (some correct but most incorrect) forms, many of which make
absolute rubbish. There are numerous other ways of producing it, but there
is no escaping the fact that to get to MDMA, REAL MDMA, the shit we are
after, you will pass through the methaphetamine molecule.
It is this molecule that is (was) 100's of times more valuable to a
cook/dealer than mdma. It is soley a financial reason why good pills have gone. 
Below is a figure from the Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, Vol 18(4) Oct-Dec. 1986. It depicts a few of the various forms of MDMA and base fragments, only one of which it the real disco biscuit. Your research field should include stoichiometry, mass spectrometry and toxicology and exclude google.


signed: fucking idiot

for those of you who want to read a bit more on various substances,
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/
is a fairly good (accurate) resource

Im not arguing that MDMA isnt a methamphetamine derivative, but its a chemical in its own right and its effects are markedly different.

i think we missunderstood each other. i see what youre saying, but i also never described it as a meth high either. i simply pointed to the source of elevated energy, and attempted to make clear of what real mdma is ( as we know it in the clubs). we all enjoy the waves that sit us down too, but the crap that just destroys you to the corner is not what it claims to be.

Id imagine thats a purity issue though? as many ways as there may be to make it the end result is the same. Any noticable difference in effects would be down to whatever nasties are left from the synth?

absolutely no doubt that its a purity issue, controlled reactions are near impossible in such labs. all molecules described above have similar effects but only if they are indeed as stated. but make no mistake; the best by far is the one based on methaphetamine. we all know the differance between MDMA, MDA and MDEA yet all are sold as MDMA. Perhaps a strongly worded letter to the cook is in order?

 

Jay the crystal that has been doing the rounds for the past few years is not mdma, it makes me sick to but does get you high and you make you rush but it lacks the loved up feeling. I can get a 8th of that crystal for £60, mdma does not come that cheap.

i only know because i could get decent crystal back in the late nineties - 2002, but a lot of what is sold these days is (as somebody pointed out earler in thread) MDA, or MDEA. that stuffs a LOT mongier than the straight MDMA (although taking a high amount of MDMA will be mongy and trippy too, it's got a different identifiable nature you can spot if you're confident you've had both or all three at some point). impurities (unadded, residue from manufac process) don't account for that much of the difference. i also understand that a lot of the colours, unless it's been coloured with a dye, are the result of impurities.

Makes sense. I've definitely been lacking the urge to hug everyone when on it but it does get me fucked to a degree- then it makes me sick for days!
If it were pure or even half decent proper mdma then no one should be able to snort a massive line of it and still be standing!

So what you are saying is that there are different 'grades' or types of MDMA according to what the precursors are? I'd always assumed that a chemical is either one thing or the other (excluding different isomer types) ie. its either MDMA or it's something else, the only variable would be the purity? I know that with Acid the purity/impurities have a massive effect on the high (regardless of dose) and different purities are named and graded accordingly, so is MDMA the same?

What the sites for ordering eccy online? Fucking brilliant idea.

NO! it is phisically impossible for that to be true.
pure MDMA if cooked correctly will come out as a yellowish oil. it is a LIQUID. it will then be salted out (made into a solid) usually by adding magnesium sulfate, (common epsom salts, harmless). a ratio of 50:50 will produce a solid, so at best it is 50% pure straight from the cook.
sorry,
if any one gets it and its got any red colour to it, DO NOT SMOKE IT.

That's interesting to know- thanks.