Oldskool pills making a comeback?

Your right there pal.

i can vouch for the lego pills going round leeds mate, only needed one last night to feel pretty nice, think u need 2 to get proper fucked

was good to see you out at remedy fella, you have a good un?

The £10 Blue ones are good.

No wanky depression in the week, just tiredness.

I took 2 standing at my cousins stall at the weekend..
woppa

Are supposedly pure MDMA crystals actually pure MDMA? Or is it another processed form?

Being that a G of MDMA is 8 optimum doses (125mg) it's odds on that the crystal is impure due to a sloppy synth, can't remember exactly what's what, but all the different colours it comes in indicate certain impurities in the process. It should be white, I've had good stuff in loads of different colours but if it's not white it's not pure. 

Haha yeah was good to see you Steve. Ended up having a proper messy one, great little night.

You can totally tell that there's good pills doing the rounds now. Really friendly vibe in there.

why are you calling me names? where is your arguement that I'm wrong?

here is mine:
your idea of research is what, google?
this probably led you to "E" via a methylenedioxy ring  in the form of
piperonal, isosaferole or safrole, which up untill 1972 this was the only
(pulished) way to make it in six alternatives, and this method riddles the
net in various (some correct but most incorrect) forms, many of which make
absolute rubbish. There are numerous other ways of producing it, but there
is no escaping the fact that to get to MDMA, REAL MDMA, the shit we are
after, you will pass through the methaphetamine molecule.
It is this molecule that is (was) 100's of times more valuable to a
cook/dealer than mdma. It is soley a financial reason why good pills have gone. 
Below is a figure from the Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, Vol 18(4) Oct-Dec. 1986. It depicts a few of the various forms of MDMA and base fragments, only one of which it the real disco biscuit. Your research field should include stoichiometry, mass spectrometry and toxicology and exclude google.


signed: fucking idiot

for those of you who want to read a bit more on various substances,
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/
is a fairly good (accurate) resource

Im not arguing that MDMA isnt a methamphetamine derivative, but its a chemical in its own right and its effects are markedly different.

i think we missunderstood each other. i see what youre saying, but i also never described it as a meth high either. i simply pointed to the source of elevated energy, and attempted to make clear of what real mdma is ( as we know it in the clubs). we all enjoy the waves that sit us down too, but the crap that just destroys you to the corner is not what it claims to be.

Id imagine thats a purity issue though? as many ways as there may be to make it the end result is the same. Any noticable difference in effects would be down to whatever nasties are left from the synth?

absolutely no doubt that its a purity issue, controlled reactions are near impossible in such labs. all molecules described above have similar effects but only if they are indeed as stated. but make no mistake; the best by far is the one based on methaphetamine. we all know the differance between MDMA, MDA and MDEA yet all are sold as MDMA. Perhaps a strongly worded letter to the cook is in order?

 

Jay the crystal that has been doing the rounds for the past few years is not mdma, it makes me sick to but does get you high and you make you rush but it lacks the loved up feeling. I can get a 8th of that crystal for £60, mdma does not come that cheap.

i only know because i could get decent crystal back in the late nineties - 2002, but a lot of what is sold these days is (as somebody pointed out earler in thread) MDA, or MDEA. that stuffs a LOT mongier than the straight MDMA (although taking a high amount of MDMA will be mongy and trippy too, it's got a different identifiable nature you can spot if you're confident you've had both or all three at some point). impurities (unadded, residue from manufac process) don't account for that much of the difference. i also understand that a lot of the colours, unless it's been coloured with a dye, are the result of impurities.

Makes sense. I've definitely been lacking the urge to hug everyone when on it but it does get me fucked to a degree- then it makes me sick for days!
If it were pure or even half decent proper mdma then no one should be able to snort a massive line of it and still be standing!

So what you are saying is that there are different 'grades' or types of MDMA according to what the precursors are? I'd always assumed that a chemical is either one thing or the other (excluding different isomer types) ie. its either MDMA or it's something else, the only variable would be the purity? I know that with Acid the purity/impurities have a massive effect on the high (regardless of dose) and different purities are named and graded accordingly, so is MDMA the same?

What the sites for ordering eccy online? Fucking brilliant idea.

NO! it is phisically impossible for that to be true.
pure MDMA if cooked correctly will come out as a yellowish oil. it is a LIQUID. it will then be salted out (made into a solid) usually by adding magnesium sulfate, (common epsom salts, harmless). a ratio of 50:50 will produce a solid, so at best it is 50% pure straight from the cook.
sorry,
if any one gets it and its got any red colour to it, DO NOT SMOKE IT.

That's interesting to know- thanks.