can someone explain to me

how the house of lords thing works, im reading about the 26000 a year cap (which i agree with) and its seems its been defeated but it can be over turned so whats the point

Just a remnant from the days when the King / Queen still had power.

The House of Commons (elected politicians) put forward a bill (draft law) which then gets voted on, for or against.

If it gets enough votes then its sent to the House of Lords (unelected 'peers', basically upper-class rich families, although 'commoners' can become lords, usually ex-politicians) and they vote on it again.

Basically if the Lords voted against it it got sent back down to the House of Commons to be changed / re-debated, however the last Labour government changed the law so if it gets sent back down to the House of Commons twice then they can overrule the House of Lords and bring it into law anyway, basically making the House of Lords redundant.

Really, who cares? I don't give a shit what they do. I go to work get paid and live my life. I aint giving 1 minute of my time to them wankers!

Sorry I have no idea how anything in politics works . May I sum it up? Ok. Poli = more than one. Tics = FUCKING PARASITES. Together = MANY FUCKING PARASITIC SCUMBAGS MILKING THE NATION FOR EVERY LAST DROP. You now have a basis to succinctly reply to thread, as I have done. Hope your well chap ; ]

normally i dont but i think this certain bill is a step in the right direction to stop people taking the piss, u may not see how many do but i worked on council estates and many really do take the piss

I think 26k is taking the piss a bit still

yep but most of it is housing so they wont lose out if they move house, nobody want scrubbers on there nice estates

ffs i dont earn anywhere near that amount! Wankers! How the fuck do they get that much being on the dole?

10k more then me for doing fuck all, i'm fucking pissed off to hell now

like i said most of it is housing benefit, so all these people up in arms just need to move out of the posh ars (Which they shouldnt be able to live in anyway) and move to more affordable housing like the rest of us

some of them just take the piss.A 4 person family living in a detached 5 bedroom house that costs 5000 a month to rent is a joke

I get 18k working full time 40 hours a week, this is considered a good wage for Lincolnshire, and I have to pay my own rent and coucil tax, takes the piss

I didn't even realise that the UK was like that, I know there's tons of bums on the dole who dont want to get off it but when i was on the dole for a few month back in 1995 i was really struggling to survive, I got nowhere near that amount, 26k fucking hell, People have no shame, I was eating 1 meal a day when i was on jobseekers and that was when things were good! Jeez....

Don't forget the 26k is take home too, so it relates more to a £35-40k salary.

ffs haha now you're rubbing it in, I was thinking it was before tax

I've lived in the UK all my life

I was watching that Coppers programme on ITV the other night to see some of the scum that sit at home spending our tax money, its enought to make you sick

hopefully it gets passed through.

It's all bollocks, we live in a world of abundance yet these cunts decide who gets what. While you all flap about over a few thousand quid they make millions and far more than they can ever use. Wise up ffs, see through it. I know I'm gonna get it for saying that but fuck it eh. : ]

I'm just not happy with life as it is, And i can't change it, I dont want a million quid i just want a better life, To be able to buy decent things, I haven't bought any clothes in over a fucking decade and these wankers are getting that sort of money, Its just not fair man.

It's not another problem altogether at all. What you get is dictated...forget it actually, no one understands the economics of the globe outside of the given view, I'd be wasting my time and I can't be arsed arguing it. Sorry for even mentioning it now, I will say this though..not a penny of our taxes go to the unemployed, that's a gross misunderstanding of our economic system. There is a reason why they 'SIGN-ON' every week or whatever it is. Signatures CREATE funds. WE are the creditors for everything our governing reps do, the trick us into believing we are debtors and we take it hook line and sinker. Oh god it makes me angry!

it doesn't really apply in your current situation Danny. it's only going to be payments like that for large families that need large houses. i agree with anyone that's saying there needs to be less incentive for dossers to procreate whilst never having any intention of supporting them without help but people seem to be spouting off about this issue as if it relates to single people  and couples getting that kind of payout for housing. that's simply not the case.

i've heard this said by a lot of people who seem to know their stuff. i should really look it up.

LOL - i went to mexico at the end of last year and the resort had lots of well to do americans. i talked to a few of them who were up in arms about welfare. it's funny that for all that the media tries to portray big differences between the US and the UK with ref to level of socialism, welfare etc, THEY WERE CITING THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO AS WE ALL COMPLAIN ABOUT  - even down to the proportion of people on the dole, wage to welfare comparisons, long term doleys and sick. THAT was an eye opener in media manipulation and creation of outrage

ye the media hype it but it happens probably more than the government lets on, alot of estates i worked on every cunt seemed to be claiming summat

Do you know that when you buy a house and sign for it that signature creates the funds to pay for it, then the bankers tell you to repay the mortgage pluss the interest, yes, they recieve about 3 times the value and have people tied up in 25 year mortgages absolutely needlesly. Perhaps that will be enough for a few people to go and do thier own research on this. Heres a couple names to google/Utube: Winston Shrout, Brandon Adams. Follow the line.

How does the signature create it? I know the money is virtual, but it still needs to be balanced (although the interest doesnt).

What happens if you default on the mortgage? Then the banks have to pay it back - this is how this whole fucking economic downturn started, they had created all this virtual money, and then too many people didnt pay it back, so the banks had to dip into their own pockets to pay it back.

It's a large sum of money and most people cannot pay that amount back within a two or three year period like some loans. The balance is having to agree a larger percentage payment for a longer loan period or forgo. Supply and demand really dictates a lot of things.      

It will always be the argument between the people rather than Vs the government. If A goes to work to support themselves and B doesn't work and has the same lifestyle then there will always be conflict. 

Not temporary with all of them and save money by using a couple of bricks

Conflict in opinion only J, I know working men that are complete wankers and i know men on the dole that are wankers. I know employers of lesser qualities than most of those unemployed that I know. I know rich people that would see you starve in the gutter and I know people with nothing that would share their last meal with you. Benefit states breed sherkers, blame the state not the people, they know no different.

the level of payout is found in london and pricey neighbourhoods and is attached to large families so these payouts aren't representative per se. i don't think the onus should be on keeping said families on their estates if the high costs are simply down to being in desirable neighbourhoods though. claimants, especially if they are long term, should be prepared to move to cheaper areas if housing is available, simply because (wherever the money is coming from) the higher payments aren't sustainable realistically.

I think you misunderstood what I meant. People are people, like you say don't judge a book by its cover   It's more that those that are working will feel resentment when hearing that joe bloggs with five kids and large house being paid for while they struggle to make ends meet with their full time job.   

Are you sure that a housing estate, in say SW1, differs for the same in outer London? I'm not sure that's right. Situations where a House has to be rented perhaps but, council estate housing surely is balanced.

i have to bow out there Jay as i don't know the situation in London much further than things cost more there than in most of the rest of the UK

Perhaps I did and didnt. I guess what I mean is that the media is making a meal out of it and that is what is raising the resentment as the focus is being put on that aspect, demonising all benefit takers. I know people on the dole that would give thier right arm to find a job, its hardly their fault that the gov gives them what they do(its still only 50ish quid a week for an adult tho isnt it?) and as has been said already most of that figure goes on rent (private renting) and council tax, what they get in their pocket is not equal to a wage by any means and many people go back into work knowing that the wage they will earn will only make them a few quid a week better off. The burden of the blame still lies with the system more than the people that are entrapped by it. I do know the type that is being refered to btw, I know many of them myself, lazy arses that have never truly looked for a way out and just gleen of the state.

Bollocks

You need a pair you chavvy wart breeder, I am the god of thunder and i'll come down and kill you were you stand bitch!  RAAAAAAAAAA!

Has nothing to do with it? On other forums? Is that where you live?

For any interested party: http://www.freedomfiles.org/mary-book.pdf

I agree matey just donnt get it