Richard Branson - Time To End Drug War

 
4 months ago
Stueethedog
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Can't post actual link but it'a about time someone said this, I doubt though any government takes any notice.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9031855/Its-time-to-end-the-failed-war-on-drugs.html

4 months ago
Dicky
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no government will ever do it, it's political suicide.

4 months ago
Stueethedog
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Oh, I was able to paste the link, crazy. But yeah, no Government will ever do it properly. If they legalised it, taxed it, put regulations around strength, quality, manufactoring etc, much like alcohol, then they could reap the benfits. This has been discussed to death on here before on how to do it. But no, it will never happen.

It still baffles me how they can still allow cigarette manufactoring when really they are essentially taking a cut of killing people via almost condoned poisoning for financial benefit. (does that sentence make sense? It does to me but might not have come out right)  But then again, if they legalised drugs would the same thing happen? I don't enough of the really extreme adverse side affects to comment on that.
4 months ago
Dolewaller
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All this doesn't make a difference to me to be honest. I believe I have every right to put whatever the fuck I want in my body and therefore when I feel the want to, I will, regardless of what a bunch of drug dealing, arms dealing, murdering, taxing bastards have to say about it. Can't wait to smoke my spliff tonight. 

Post edited by owner 24/01/2012 18:59:34
4 months ago
Optimus Jones
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I think there's a good chance Weed will be decriminalised around most of the world within 15 years or so, it's looking as though the American electorate/government is shifting over to that way of thinking, and once the the good ol' USA gives it the thumbs up, then the rest of the world will follow.

Other drugs though are a fucking minefield of side effects and consequences, how would you safely regulate someone's cocaine use? would it ever be OK to effectively give someone the green light for recreational heroin or crystal meth use? even 'softer' drugs like Ecstacy or Speed will kick your ass if used every weekend. A lot of people are fucking stupid when it comes to drugs; the law, at least to some extent protects them. Can you imagine the carnage if you could walk into a shop and buy crack?

No, drug policy doesn't work, but I can't see decriminalisation going all too well either.
4 months ago
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Who the fuck is richard branson?
4 months ago
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Anything to charles?
4 months ago
Dolewaller
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I think there's a good chance Weed will be decriminalised around most of the world within 15 years or so, it's looking as though the American electorate/government is shifting over to that way of thinking, and once the the good ol' USA gives it the thumbs up, then the rest of the world will follow.

Other drugs though are a fucking minefield of side effects and consequences, how would you safely regulate someone's cocaine use? would it ever be OK to effectively give someone the green light for recreational heroin or crystal meth use? even 'softer' drugs like Ecstacy or Speed will kick your ass if used every weekend. A lot of people are fucking stupid when it comes to drugs; the law, at least to some extent protects them. Can you imagine the carnage if you could walk into a shop and buy crack?

No, drug policy doesn't work, but I can't see decriminalisation going all too well either.

Mate, you can't even safely regulate peoples alcohol usage, have you fucking seen the city centre on a Friday night? I used to think "legalise all drugs" as that's what's fair, and it still is. But now I can just imagine how much it could potentially fuck things up if they did. Its hard to tell which way society would go if they did, I'm banking on completely fucking sideways. I just don't like how they think they can sell drugs and then tell you not to do it. "Oh yeah, you can have these drugs, these ones are fine (cough* we make billions from them *cough). But sell or go near any others and we will lock you in a fucking box." 

Post edited by owner 24/01/2012 19:09:14
4 months ago
Lee S.
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I say we put something in scag so all the junkies die, problem solved.
4 months ago
Optimus Jones
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I think with the way Bransons brain works it's safe to say he's already thinking of ways to make money out of such a situation.
4 months ago
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Yeah, like a free £20 bag with every landline contract.
4 months ago
Lii
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I can't trust a guy that owns a fucking airline and decides to travel by balloon
4 months ago
4D Meow
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I can't trust a guy that owns a fucking airline and decides to travel by balloon

yawn
4 months ago
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is this all in support of Ron Pauls campaigning?

read an article that illustrates some of the things that wouldn't be sorted by decriminalisation - it's rather pompous in tone and very 'moral majority' stuff:

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/01/11/drug-legalization-chic

i'm not sure where i stand on the issue - drugs are clearly addictive (including cannabis) to the point where they can have devastatingly negative impacts on some peoples lives in making them neglect areas of life that other people would see as essential. i guess the question is should everyone be prohibited from taking drugs in a recreational setting just because a minority (but still a sizeable minority) fuck up (and this will vary from drug to drug and be dependent upon many factors - some drugs may even have the majority of people using them fucking up)?

some might say fuck yeah, Darwinism in effect - lop off the chafe
4 months ago
GeneticJunk
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its pretty sad that the general public will never understand and maybe never want to understand difference between drug addction and recreational use.
I dont think drugs will be legalised/decriminalised untill the people understand that there is a clear difference between the two, there must be a massive amount of people out there that have this missimformed idea of what a drug user is
4 months ago
Optimus Jones
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Define addiction/recreational use though.. it's hardly black and white. 
4 months ago
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addiction - black
recreational - white

defined.
4 months ago
4D Meow
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Oh yes lovely let's legalize drugs. so when I have a kid I can't wait to have the "Well yes you can buy that Heroin but only when you're 18" conversation.
4 months ago
Stu
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its pretty sad that the general public will never understand and maybe never want to understand difference between drug addction and recreational use.
I dont think drugs will be legalised/decriminalised untill the people understand that there is a clear difference between the two, there must be a massive amount of people out there that have this missimformed idea of what a drug user is

It's a tough call the whole addiction / recreation debate, and I think the older I get the less clear-cut the answer seems to me.

Take alcohol, the vast majority of people who like a beer / glass of wine or 3 on a weekend do so with no adverse effects, bar the odd bad hangover. This to me is typical recreational use; using a substance for the positive effects it has on the user's life and using it in a way where the negative effects are vastly outweighed by the positive.

On the other hand, you have the pure alcoholics, who cannot function without the sauce. These are the people which the alcohol affects either short term (affecting social relationships, family etc) or long term (physical damage to the body requiring expensive medical treatment). Obviously I think we can all agree that these people have taken it too far.

Then you have the 'middle category', the people who consider their alcohol use 'recreational' but any objective observer can tell they drink too much. They might get absolutely fucked at weekends, start fights, smash windows and get in trouble with the police but still manage to live a normal life during the week. Eventually, this level of drinking will have a profound effect just like the alcoholic, but it takes longer / the end result can sometimes be more dramatic i.e. they get knocked over by a bus when blotto or punch some poor passer-by one night who ends up banging their head on the curb and dying.

For legalisation to work, the population needs to be A. sane enough and B. educated enough on the dangers of taking substance use too far.

In our tribal past, regulation of substances was done by the shaman / witchdoctor and the special place these chemicals took in the mythology of the tribe. You got fucked for a reason, whether it was community bonding or some religious / spiritual journey of discovery. I know a lot of people on this board have the same sensible ideas about drugs and respect them. People who have their heads together / have good support networks and have a life outside of substance use. My worry is with legalisation that there are so many down-and-out people in this country (through no fault of their own) that straight up legalisation would just put another collection of far stronger chemicals in circulation ripe for abusing.

I think the best (and probably most expensive way) would be some kind of social / mental testing to see if you were eligible, followed by rationing through someone like a GP i.e. if you knew you were going to a rave on the weekend, you could go to a clinic and pick up a prescribed amount of decent MDMA exactly the right amount for your age / sex / size. Problem is though that there would still be massive demand on the black market so it doesn't really solve anything, unless the drugs were of particular quality in that case people would be happy with their lot. thumbsup
4 months ago
4D Meow
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addiction - black
recreational - white

defined.

Recreational = the narcotic affecting your life as much as a glass of water
Addiction = when the narcotic is beginning to have an influence on your life which you either oblivious to it or not, you chose to ignore it or are unable to stop it.

Post edited by owner 24/01/2012 22:24:29
4 months ago
GeneticJunk
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Define addiction/recreational use though.. it's hardly black and white. 
well for me personally recreational is anything upto getting fucked every weekend without it effecting ur day to day life, addiction starts when you start doing it though the week/ doing it to deal with situtions moving on to needing to take it constantly

not having the ablity to say no could also said to be addiction/drugs problem

Post edited by owner 24/01/2012 22:31:54
4 months ago
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mrbonez Pic36615 Posts
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In reply to
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its pretty sad that the general public will never understand and maybe never want to understand difference between drug addction and recreational use.
I dont think drugs will be legalised/decriminalised untill the people understand that there is a clear difference between the two, there must be a massive amount of people out there that have this missimformed idea of what a drug user is

It's a tough call the whole addiction / recreation debate, and I think the older I get the less clear-cut the answer seems to me.

Take alcohol, the vast majority of people who like a beer / glass of wine or 3 on a weekend do so with no adverse effects, bar the odd bad hangover. This to me is typical recreational use; using a substance for the positive effects it has on the user's life and using it in a way where the negative effects are vastly outweighed by the positive.

On the other hand, you have the pure alcoholics, who cannot function without the sauce. These are the people which the alcohol affects either short term (affecting social relationships, family etc) or long term (physical damage to the body requiring expensive medical treatment). Obviously I think we can all agree that these people have taken it too far.

Then you have the 'middle category', the people who consider their alcohol use 'recreational' but any objective observer can tell they drink too much. They might get absolutely fucked at weekends, start fights, smash windows and get in trouble with the police but still manage to live a normal life during the week. Eventually, this level of drinking will have a profound effect just like the alcoholic, but it takes longer / the end result can sometimes be more dramatic i.e. they get knocked over by a bus when blotto or punch some poor passer-by one night who ends up banging their head on the curb and dying.

For legalisation to work, the population needs to be A. sane enough and B. educated enough on the dangers of taking substance use too far.

In our tribal past, regulation of substances was done by the shaman / witchdoctor and the special place these chemicals took in the mythology of the tribe. You got fucked for a reason, whether it was community bonding or some religious / spiritual journey of discovery. I know a lot of people on this board have the same sensible ideas about drugs and respect them. People who have their heads together / have good support networks and have a life outside of substance use. My worry is with legalisation that there are so many down-and-out people in this country (through no fault of their own) that straight up legalisation would just put another collection of far stronger chemicals in circulation ripe for abusing.

I think the best (and probably most expensive way) would be some kind of social / mental testing to see if you were eligible, followed by rationing through someone like a GP i.e. if you knew you were going to a rave on the weekend, you could go to a clinic and pick up a prescribed amount of decent MDMA exactly the right amount for your age / sex / size. Problem is though that there would still be massive demand on the black market so it doesn't really solve anything, unless the drugs were of particular quality in that case people would be happy with their lot. thumbsup


for that solution to work the mental health and social test would have to be objective and even a cursory look at either field would show there is little that can be objectively tested pre autopsy. there are so many crazy ideas and theories chucked around in the fields of psychiatry and psychology and the best of those do little better than scratch the surface at present.

(hey, i'm just chucking spanners laughing)
4 months ago
Optimus Jones
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addiction - black
recreational - white

defined.

Recreational = the narcotic affecting your life as much as a glass of water
Addiction = when the narcotic is beginning to have an influence on your life which you either oblivious to it or not, you chose to ignore it or are unable to stop it.
Regular 'recreational' use will always effect you in some way, going by your definition most recreational users I know fall into the addict category.
4 months ago
Stu
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In reply to
In reply to
its pretty sad that the general public will never understand and maybe never want to understand difference between drug addction and recreational use.
I dont think drugs will be legalised/decriminalised untill the people understand that there is a clear difference between the two, there must be a massive amount of people out there that have this missimformed idea of what a drug user is

It's a tough call the whole addiction / recreation debate, and I think the older I get the less clear-cut the answer seems to me.

Take alcohol, the vast majority of people who like a beer / glass of wine or 3 on a weekend do so with no adverse effects, bar the odd bad hangover. This to me is typical recreational use; using a substance for the positive effects it has on the user's life and using it in a way where the negative effects are vastly outweighed by the positive.

On the other hand, you have the pure alcoholics, who cannot function without the sauce. These are the people which the alcohol affects either short term (affecting social relationships, family etc) or long term (physical damage to the body requiring expensive medical treatment). Obviously I think we can all agree that these people have taken it too far.

Then you have the 'middle category', the people who consider their alcohol use 'recreational' but any objective observer can tell they drink too much. They might get absolutely fucked at weekends, start fights, smash windows and get in trouble with the police but still manage to live a normal life during the week. Eventually, this level of drinking will have a profound effect just like the alcoholic, but it takes longer / the end result can sometimes be more dramatic i.e. they get knocked over by a bus when blotto or punch some poor passer-by one night who ends up banging their head on the curb and dying.

For legalisation to work, the population needs to be A. sane enough and B. educated enough on the dangers of taking substance use too far.

In our tribal past, regulation of substances was done by the shaman / witchdoctor and the special place these chemicals took in the mythology of the tribe. You got fucked for a reason, whether it was community bonding or some religious / spiritual journey of discovery. I know a lot of people on this board have the same sensible ideas about drugs and respect them. People who have their heads together / have good support networks and have a life outside of substance use. My worry is with legalisation that there are so many down-and-out people in this country (through no fault of their own) that straight up legalisation would just put another collection of far stronger chemicals in circulation ripe for abusing.

I think the best (and probably most expensive way) would be some kind of social / mental testing to see if you were eligible, followed by rationing through someone like a GP i.e. if you knew you were going to a rave on the weekend, you could go to a clinic and pick up a prescribed amount of decent MDMA exactly the right amount for your age / sex / size. Problem is though that there would still be massive demand on the black market so it doesn't really solve anything, unless the drugs were of particular quality in that case people would be happy with their lot. thumbsup


for that solution to work the mental health and social test would have to be objective and even a cursory look at either field would show there is little that can be objectively tested pre autopsy. there are so many crazy ideas and theories chucked around in the fields of psychiatry and psychology and the best of those do little better than scratch the surface at present.

(hey, i'm just chucking spanners laughing)

Rightly so to do so too! Just shows how unmanageable such a scheme would be with experts / politicians disagreeing all over the show.
4 months ago
Jukesy
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Surely legality mdma can't have too many draw backs, would cut the policing bill on weekends by millions every weekend! Lol
4 months ago
Jukesy
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Just think of the amount of revenue the government could pull in from sales too!
4 months ago
Lii
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Its always the ones that haven't tried the 'ride' that complain about the routes.

Post edited by owner 1/28/2012 4:05:02 PM
4 months ago
breadwing
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Just think of the amount of revenue the government could pull in from sales too!

They'd have to charge bare pennies to make any money though. I reckon the reason alcohol, fags and possibly cannabis (the most likely thing to be legalized) are chosen is because the effects aren't very strong so more of it is needed - more sales. I know that I could easily do with just 100 - 150mg of mdma for a whole night and that would also dramatically reduce the amount of alcohol I get. Shame though, as I'd love to be able to get it easily.
4 months ago
Mark-E (GainRider)
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Define addiction/recreational use though.. it's hardly black and white. 


Addiction = Crawling around the floor at 4am searching for a lump of crack you never dropped 

Recreational = Taking drugs to have a good time with your friends

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Mark-E (GainRider)
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Oh yes lovely let's legalize drugs. so when I have a kid I can't wait to have the "Well yes you can buy that Heroin but only when you're 18" conversation.

You can buy it at any age off the streets though, it will always be there.

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