Big Jon
1467 Posts
The middle
Proper Groovin' tonking tuffness!!!In reply to
6 raw eggs and a tin of tuna blended and banged straight into the vein or do some looking up on the web mate compare cost/protein/carbs/sugar per serving also have they got any added extras bcaa/glutamine/creatine etc etc
does it work faster through the vein or plain eyeballpaul it??? im looking googling away at all the options now but thought id ask u beefcakes aswel
Dicky
7673 Posts
Bedworth
loads of stuff.In reply to
Maximuscle products are shit and over priced.
agreed totally.
I used Myprotein.co.uk and had their hurricane XS for a while. good stuff. But the local tesco's near me had 2KG tubs of Sci Mx Omni MX hardcore and Sci Mx Mass for £23 each. half the price of the RRP nearly.
I found the Sci MX stuff to be really good. the Omni hardcore has all the protein, slow burn carb and creatine needed for a workout and the Mass has BCAA, Glutamine, protein and carbs which make it good for an after workout shake. two scoops of each with water daily.
Dicky
7673 Posts
Bedworth
loads of stuff.In reply to
dont really wanna gain weight, infact i wanna lose some but maintain muscle. im using maximuscle promax diet at the mo but i cant take it after a late workout cause i cant sleep with the caffine thats in it. ive been looking at syntha-6 for late work outs but wanted to see what other brands people are using cause i car afford to try everyone out there ha ha
its a very hard thing to gain muscle and keep the fat off or lose fat.
I would still take and all in one gainer but make sure you match your resistance training alongside some cardio. seperate days with plenty of resting time to let your muscles grow. They only grow when resting.
Neuro - Logik
4929 Posts
Shrewsbury
SOUNDProtein in natural food is all you need 
Dont waste your money on products.
AMH
1136 Posts
Halifax
Hard StuffIn reply to
Protein in natural food is all you need 
Dont waste your money on products.
Not at all. Natural foods proteins from meats and fish contain a fair whack of calories. A 'good' protein shake will contain more than just protein, like BCAA's, glutamine, propetides, calcium and other minerals/vitamins, not only that, they will contain the digestive enzymes for your body to process it.
Fact, even someone with a good gut that chews well, will only process 15-20% of protein in meats...in particular red meat. A big part of masses of protein isn't just for the building and repairing of muscles, but its effect on metabolism.
One of the key components your looking for in maintaining muscles cells and burning fat is L-Carnitine, this is pretty much the amino acid that stops the muscle being used as fuel.
So...
My recommendation is Cytosport Monster Milk. It's a low fat high protein, contains multi vitamins, all amino acids, minerals, creatine and other assistive nutrients, its lactose free, easy on the gut and tastes excellent. If you do get it, I have no doubt you'll agree.
As for the above, I can smash eggs, tuna and even replenish carbs after training, and if i'm not supplementing with a good protein shake I can tell, both visually and physically.
I'm not biased to any product, as I get all my shit for free... and so also slightly disagree about maximuscle being shit... it's not, but i will agree on expensive.
Also as for the cardio as mentioned above, keep it short and intense. Sprinter = heavyish but low body fat %, Long distance runner = light body weight with high bodyfat % because fat is the main reserve for low intensity training, you don't want to condition your body to store it....
Az
Daz
26810 Posts
PhD Synergy ISO7. Shake before the gym then right after, seems to be working for me.
Its about 35quid up here for 2kg.
One for the doctor...
19560 Posts
In reply toIn reply to
Protein in natural food is all you need
Dont waste your money on products.
Not at all. Natural foods proteins from meats and fish contain a fair whack of calories. A 'good' protein shake will contain more than just protein, like BCAA's, glutamine, propetides, calcium and other minerals/vitamins, not only that, they will contain the digestive enzymes for your body to process it.
Fact, even someone with a good gut that chews well, will only process 15-20% of protein in meats...in particular red meat. A big part of masses of protein isn't just for the building and repairing of muscles, but its effect on metabolism.
One of the key components your looking for in maintaining muscles cells and burning fat is L-Carnitine, this is pretty much the amino acid that stops the muscle being used as fuel.
So...
My recommendation is Cytosport Monster Milk. It's a low fat high protein, contains multi vitamins, all amino acids, minerals, creatine and other assistive nutrients, its lactose free, easy on the gut and tastes excellent. If you do get it, I have no doubt you'll agree.
As for the above, I can smash eggs, tuna and even replenish carbs after training, and if i'm not supplementing with a good protein shake I can tell, both visually and physically.
I'm not biased to any product, as I get all my shit for free... and so also slightly disagree about maximuscle being shit... it's not, but i will agree on expensive.
Also as for the cardio as mentioned above, keep it short and intense. Sprinter = heavyish but low body fat %, Long distance runner = light body weight with high bodyfat % because fat is the main reserve for low intensity training, you don't want to condition your body to store it....
Az
Owned!
Gaz Gibson
7795 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply toJust eat a balanced diet and you won't need any of these stupid supplements. Humans have been quite happy without this shit for hundreds of thousands of years.
My mate buys Nourishment cans of drink. I call it 'Tramp Juice', as all the hobos in Reading drink it
Clearly you dont know what you talking about.
NoMiS ChaV
17389 Posts
bruv
innitIn reply toIn reply toJust eat a balanced diet and you won't need any of these stupid supplements. Humans have been quite happy without this shit for hundreds of thousands of years.
My mate buys Nourishment cans of drink. I call it 'Tramp Juice', as all the hobos in Reading drink it
Clearly you dont know what you talking about.
He does actually, these supliments are designed for people that dont do proper work and need to build (false, useless, weak) muscle mass. Eating a properly balanced diet to suit the work you do is the key and always has been, long before todays new breed of office working muscle men.
Gaz Gibson
7795 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply to
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In reply toJust eat a balanced diet and you won't need any of these stupid supplements. Humans have been quite happy without this shit for hundreds of thousands of years.
My mate buys Nourishment cans of drink. I call it 'Tramp Juice', as all the hobos in Reading drink it
Clearly you dont know what you talking about.
He does actually, these supliments are designed for people that dont do proper work and need to build
(false, useless, weak) muscle mass. Eating a properly balanced diet to suit the work you do is the key and always has been, long before todays new breed of office working muscle men.
What a load of tosh
NoMiS ChaV
17389 Posts
bruv
innitIn reply to
Yeah it's the same muscle!
Its not, if you take a man that pumps some wieghts and drinks suplements and put him next to a man who for example works in a foundry or carries bricks around all day, the later will be, by far, the stronger, yes the former may have a more sculptured look about him but strength wise the later will win over and over again. Thats what I mean by false/vanity muscle.
Post edited by owner 08/02/2012 12:18:36 NoMiS ChaV
17389 Posts
bruv
innitIn reply toIn reply to
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In reply toJust eat a balanced diet and you won't need any of these stupid supplements. Humans have been quite happy without this shit for hundreds of thousands of years.
My mate buys Nourishment cans of drink. I call it 'Tramp Juice', as all the hobos in Reading drink it
Clearly you dont know what you talking about.
He does actually, these supliments are designed for people that dont do proper work and need to build
(false, useless, weak) muscle mass. Eating a properly balanced diet to suit the work you do is the key and always has been, long before todays new breed of office working muscle men.
What a load of tosh
Is that you talking or the steroids?
Devo
2265 Posts
Dublin
DevstepIn reply to
I disagree, even 2 sessions a day, 7 days a week in the gym cant compare to constant 8(and more)hour working shifts in many work settings.
That's okay. We're allowed to disagree. Don't forget that those people working the 8 hour shifts need to also eat enough protein to be sure of any strength or muscle gain. A shake or 2 during the day would do wonders for them.
Post edited by owner 2/8/2012 12:33:44 PM Andy Graves
4574 Posts
Reading
Hard stomping boshing twisted groovesIn reply toIn reply to
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In reply toJust eat a balanced diet and you won't need any of these stupid supplements. Humans have been quite happy without this shit for hundreds of thousands of years.
My mate buys Nourishment cans of drink. I call it 'Tramp Juice', as all the hobos in Reading drink it
Clearly you dont know what you talking about.
He does actually, these supliments are designed for people that dont do proper work and need to build
(false, useless, weak) muscle mass. Eating a properly balanced diet to suit the work you do is the key and always has been, long before todays new breed of office working muscle men.
What a load of tosh
What's a load of tosh? That these supplements are for people who don't eat a balanced diet appropriate to the level of activity they undertake in their daily life? Or that the human race has survived for a very long time without the requirement for additional nutritional supplementation?
All these drinks do is provide people with a false sense of self-satisfaction due to your fake uber-muscley body. It's the male-equivalent of girls who are bulemic due to peer pressure put on them by girly magazines. IMO of course.
BEEFCAKE!
Gaz Gibson
7795 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply to
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In reply toJust eat a balanced diet and you won't need any of these stupid supplements. Humans have been quite happy without this shit for hundreds of thousands of years.
My mate buys Nourishment cans of drink. I call it 'Tramp Juice', as all the hobos in Reading drink it
Clearly you dont know what you talking about.
He does actually, these supliments are designed for people that dont do proper work and need to build
(false, useless, weak) muscle mass. Eating a properly balanced diet to suit the work you do is the key and always has been, long before todays new breed of office working muscle men.
What a load of tosh
What's a load of tosh? That these supplements are for people who don't eat a balanced diet appropriate to the level of activity they undertake in their daily life? Or that the human race has survived for a very long time without the requirement for additional nutritional supplementation?
All these drinks do is provide people with a false sense of self-satisfaction due to your fake uber-muscley body. It's the male-equivalent of girls who are bulemic due to peer pressure put on them by girly magazines. IMO of course.
BEEFCAKE!
So you saying bodybuilders have shakes because they dont eat a balanced diets?? Stop chatting shit, would you rather try and eat 3 or 4 tins of tuna, or drink 1 protien shake??
Post edited by owner 08/02/2012 12:53:27 Andy Graves
4574 Posts
Reading
Hard stomping boshing twisted groovesIn reply toIn reply to
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In reply toJust eat a balanced diet and you won't need any of these stupid supplements. Humans have been quite happy without this shit for hundreds of thousands of years.
My mate buys Nourishment cans of drink. I call it 'Tramp Juice', as all the hobos in Reading drink it
Clearly you dont know what you talking about.
He does actually, these supliments are designed for people that dont do proper work and need to build
(false, useless, weak) muscle mass. Eating a properly balanced diet to suit the work you do is the key and always has been, long before todays new breed of office working muscle men.
What a load of tosh
What's a load of tosh? That these supplements are for people who don't eat a balanced diet appropriate to the level of activity they undertake in their daily life? Or that the human race has survived for a very long time without the requirement for additional nutritional supplementation?
All these drinks do is provide people with a false sense of self-satisfaction due to your fake uber-muscley body. It's the male-equivalent of girls who are bulemic due to peer pressure put on them by girly magazines. IMO of course.
BEEFCAKE!
So you saying bodybuilders have shakes because they dont eat a balanced diets?? Stop chatting shit, would you rather try and eat 3 or 4 tins of tuna, or drink 1 protien shake??
I'd rather have a normal body, eat a rich and varied diet and undertake regular exercise, thanks
Phily Mac
6665 Posts
London
Tradehttp://www.myprotein.com/uk/products/impact_whey_protein
^^^^^ This is a really good basic protein thats pretty cheap as well, Word of advice though dont get the unflavoured one taste like wall paper paste! Vanilla is pretty tasty and can be mixed with anything.
Toomz
4254 Posts
Herts
Hard House & NRGIn reply to
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In reply toJust eat a balanced diet and you won't need any of these stupid supplements. Humans have been quite happy without this shit for hundreds of thousands of years.
My mate buys Nourishment cans of drink. I call it 'Tramp Juice', as all the hobos in Reading drink it
Clearly you dont know what you talking about.
He does actually, these supliments are designed for people that dont do proper work and need to build
(false, useless, weak) muscle mass. Eating a properly balanced diet to suit the work you do is the key and always has been, long before todays new breed of office working muscle men.
What a load of tosh
What's a load of tosh? That these supplements are for people who don't eat a balanced diet appropriate to the level of activity they undertake in their daily life? Or that the human race has survived for a very long time without the requirement for additional nutritional supplementation?
All these drinks do is provide people with a false sense of self-satisfaction due to your fake uber-muscley body. It's the male-equivalent of girls who are bulemic due to peer pressure put on them by girly magazines. IMO of course.
BEEFCAKE!
So you saying bodybuilders have shakes because they dont eat a balanced diets?? Stop chatting shit, would you rather try and eat 3 or 4 tins of tuna, or drink 1 protien shake??
I'd rather have a normal body, eat a rich and varied diet and undertake regular exercise, thanks
And thats your perogative. But if someone wants to get stronger or build muscle (and Im not even talking bodybuilder size, even other atheletes and footballers need bigger muscles for speed etc) then there is a need for increased protein intake. Whey is a conveniant way of eating it. nothing stupid about it. All depends what your goals are. I eat a varied diet and still enjoy my food, just more of it to grow.
Gaz Gibson
7795 Posts
WIGAN
ard ooooose
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In reply toJust eat a balanced diet and you won't need any of these stupid supplements. Humans have been quite happy without this shit for hundreds of thousands of years.
My mate buys Nourishment cans of drink. I call it 'Tramp Juice', as all the hobos in Reading drink it
Clearly you dont know what you talking about.
He does actually, these supliments are designed for people that dont do proper work and need to build
(false, useless, weak) muscle mass. Eating a properly balanced diet to suit the work you do is the key and always has been, long before todays new breed of office working muscle men.
What a load of tosh
What's a load of tosh? That these supplements are for people who don't eat a balanced diet appropriate to the level of activity they undertake in their daily life? Or that the human race has survived for a very long time without the requirement for additional nutritional supplementation?
All these drinks do is provide people with a false sense of self-satisfaction due to your fake uber-muscley body. It's the male-equivalent of girls who are bulemic due to peer pressure put on them by girly magazines. IMO of course.
BEEFCAKE!
So you saying bodybuilders have shakes because they dont eat a balanced diets?? Stop chatting shit, would you rather try and eat 3 or 4 tins of tuna, or drink 1 protien shake??
I'd rather have a normal body, eat a rich and varied diet and undertake regular exercise, thanks
So people who do weights at the gym arnt partaking in regular exercise??
Post edited by owner 08/02/2012 14:19:12 Andy Graves
4574 Posts
Reading
Hard stomping boshing twisted groovesIn reply toIn reply to
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In reply toJust eat a balanced diet and you won't need any of these stupid supplements. Humans have been quite happy without this shit for hundreds of thousands of years.
My mate buys Nourishment cans of drink. I call it 'Tramp Juice', as all the hobos in Reading drink it
Clearly you dont know what you talking about.
He does actually, these supliments are designed for people that dont do proper work and need to build
(false, useless, weak) muscle mass. Eating a properly balanced diet to suit the work you do is the key and always has been, long before todays new breed of office working muscle men.
What a load of tosh
What's a load of tosh? That these supplements are for people who don't eat a balanced diet appropriate to the level of activity they undertake in their daily life? Or that the human race has survived for a very long time without the requirement for additional nutritional supplementation?
All these drinks do is provide people with a false sense of self-satisfaction due to your fake uber-muscley body. It's the male-equivalent of girls who are bulemic due to peer pressure put on them by girly magazines. IMO of course.
BEEFCAKE!
So you saying bodybuilders have shakes because they dont eat a balanced diets?? Stop chatting shit, would you rather try and eat 3 or 4 tins of tuna, or drink 1 protien shake??
I'd rather have a normal body, eat a rich and varied diet and undertake regular exercise, thanks
So people who do weights at the gym arnt partaking in regular exercise??
When did I say that, Gaz?
I'm simply suggesing that humans do not NEED additional nutritional supplementation from protein shakes. This has been the case since we started to walk on two legs.
Cycle 13
7173 Posts
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Hereford
Slosh-stepI use the bog standard Strawberry Whey protein from
bulkpowerders.co.uk and have to say it's the best/cheapest I've used so far. It actually tastes pretty nice too
Personally I wouldn't buy protein mixed with creatine as I like to be able to choose when I take my creatine so it's easier to keep them separate.
Adzr
1281 Posts
Essex
Hard NRGSci MX is really good quality, but can be pricey, myprotein is good value for money, maximuscle is ridiculously expensive for what you're getting... that's about the limit of my personal experience with protein powders, but covers a few bases 
As for the whole arguement over protein shakes, it's mainly convenience, plus I'm fairly sure I've read the best time to have protein shuttled to your muscles is within half hour of finishing your workout, and generally trying to wolf down a chicken then isn't practical.
It's all about keeping a balance though, getting good quality protein from food as often as possible and using supplements to do just that... supplement your diet.
I get the best of both worlds though, spend all day at work running around like a blue arsed fly, and shifting heavy materials and weights session 3 times a week (when i say weights session, I mean decent compounds like deadlifts and squats, not just doing your t shirt muscles with a couple of jerky bicep curls)
Although that is just my personal opinion... 
AMH
1136 Posts
Halifax
Hard StuffYour right we don't NEED protein shakes, but you won't develop to be as strong without them. Your comparing human survival with muscle building.
Also, you are talking absolute shite. I'm not going to sugar coat it. People that go to the gym that train to be strong will always be stronger than someone with a job that requires graft.
If this wasn't true, think strongmen/weightlifters/powerlifters/bodybuilders would put their body through hell, injury, and insane diets and nutrition regimes? would they fuck. They'd help out farmer joe. BOLLOX they would.
I look healthy enough and can safely say i'm strong, powerful, and fit. Protein shakes play a part of my life, as they do with all athletes.....
Maybe you should tell them all they are wasting their money?
Post edited by owner 08/02/2012 18:55:50 Adzr
1281 Posts
Essex
Hard NRGIn reply to
haha t-shirt muscles iam knicking that 1. My faves are deadlifts and leg press. Raaargh!!
I have a love/hate relationship with deadlifts...
Gaz Gibson
7795 Posts
WIGAN
ard ooooosehaha there my fave for mass building, not my fave for doing, rip my hands to shreds, im strength is good, but i have a shite grip.
Post edited by owner 08/02/2012 19:26:03 Adzr
1281 Posts
Essex
Hard NRGIn reply to
haha there my fave for mass building, not my fave for doing, rip my hands to shreds, im strength is good, but i have a shite grip.
Aye, my hands are a mess from work anyway, but deadlifts don't help, imo best exercise though, feel it the whole way through your legs back and forearms
Loving pull ups the most at the moment
AMH
1136 Posts
Halifax
Hard StuffIn reply to
haha there my fave for mass building, not my fave for doing, rip my hands to shreds, im strength is good, but i have a shite grip.
Amen.
juiceh
10109 Posts
duberlin
In reply toSci MX is really good quality, but can be pricey, myprotein is good value for money, maximuscle is ridiculously expensive for what you're getting... that's about the limit of my personal experience with protein powders, but covers a few bases
As for the whole arguement over protein shakes, it's mainly convenience, plus I'm fairly sure I've read the best time to have protein shuttled to your muscles is within half hour of finishing your workout, and generally trying to wolf down a chicken then isn't practical.
It's all about keeping a balance though, getting good quality protein from food as often as possible and using supplements to do just that... supplement your diet.
I get the best of both worlds though, spend all day at work running around like a blue arsed fly, and shifting heavy materials and weights session 3 times a week (when i say weights session, I mean decent compounds like deadlifts and squats, not just doing your t shirt muscles with a couple of jerky bicep curls)
Although that is just my personal opinion...
true, plus a protein shake is gonna go right into ur system straight away, where as food will take time to digest
i take this one...
NoMiS ChaV
17389 Posts
bruv
innitIn reply toIn reply toSci MX is really good quality, but can be pricey, myprotein is good value for money, maximuscle is ridiculously expensive for what you're getting... that's about the limit of my personal experience with protein powders, but covers a few bases
As for the whole arguement over protein shakes, it's mainly convenience, plus I'm fairly sure I've read the best time to have protein shuttled to your muscles is within half hour of finishing your workout, and generally trying to wolf down a chicken then isn't practical.
It's all about keeping a balance though, getting good quality protein from food as often as possible and using supplements to do just that... supplement your diet.
I get the best of both worlds though, spend all day at work running around like a blue arsed fly, and shifting heavy materials and weights session 3 times a week (when i say weights session, I mean decent compounds like deadlifts and squats, not just doing your t shirt muscles with a couple of jerky bicep curls)
Although that is just my personal opinion...
true, plus a protein shake is gonna go right into ur system straight away, where as food will take time to digest
Like spinnach you mean?
Devo
2265 Posts
Dublin
DevstepGood luck with eating enough spinach to get 30 grams of protein straight after a workout!
Post edited by owner 2/9/2012 9:57:19 AM Phily Mac
6665 Posts
London
TradeIn reply to
Good luck with eating enough spinach to get 30 grams of protein straight after a workout!
1.4kg of spinach is pretty tough to get down you after a gym session!
Kucing
3364 Posts
countryPeople focus too much on the supplements though, to the exclusion of the rest of their diet. If you like taking them, great good on you, but if you are not eating right all the time it will make fuck all difference. After diet comes correct training - form is king.
The whole obsession with mass is a bit odd to me, body composition is a much more rewarding (and attractive) goal.
For reference to the original question I take a bog standard whey protein after workouts only, because as stated - it's hard to get the hit of protein from other sources quick enough. But I also eat a shit load of meat throughout the day so I get plenty of protein regardless.
AMH
1136 Posts
Halifax
Hard StuffHypocrisy at its best. Someone asks for a decent protein shake ans you spout bollox telling him he doesn't need it. He obviously does or he wouldn't of asked, the only bollox round here is coming from your mouth fella. Of course he knows who popeye is, he's winding you up.
If some one asks for advice and people give accurate advice from experience, you can't tell them they are all taking shit and not expect to get ripped a new one.
Post edited by owner 09/02/2012 12:32:31 NoMiS ChaV
17389 Posts
bruv
innitIn reply toHypocrisy at its best. Someone asks for a decent protein shake ans you spout bollox telling him he doesn't need it. He obviously does or he wouldn't of asked, the only bollox round here is coming from your mouth fella. Of course he knows who popeye is, he's winding you up.
I think you are taking all this a bit too seriously fella, so why dont you stop whining like a little bitch now? Whats wrong, cant you handle a difference of opinion? Getting upset? Would you like a lollypop?
AMH
1136 Posts
Halifax
Hard StuffIt's not a difference in opinion. It's fact.
And yeah, I do take it seriously, thats why I finished 3rd in the world powerlifting championships in November. But obviously, i've been doing it all wrong.
A lollypop would be nice, will put it in my trophy cabinet with the rest of my awards.
NoMiS ChaV
17389 Posts
bruv
innitIn reply toIt's not a difference in opinion. It's fact.
And yeah, I do take it seriously, thats why I finished 3rd in the world powerlifting championships in November. But obviously, i've been doing it all wrong.
A lollypop would be nice, will put it in my trophy cabinet with the rest of my awards.
Well thats all very nice but can you pike hay bales on to huge loaders up to and above 12feet high for 12 hours day after day? I doubt it very much. So as competitive as it may be and as rigouous as it may be to train for what you do, it has no real purpose other than vanity, thats why I call it vanity muscle.
I'd love to carry on this wee chat but I must away for a few days or more. All the best to you though and your future fat deposits.
AMH
1136 Posts
Halifax
Hard StuffIn reply to
In reply to
It's not a difference in opinion. It's fact.
And yeah, I do take it seriously, thats why I finished 3rd in the world powerlifting championships in November. But obviously, i've been doing it all wrong.
A lollypop would be nice, will put it in my trophy cabinet with the rest of my awards.
Well thats all very nice but can you pike hay bales on to huge loaders up to and above 12feet high for 12 hours day after day? I doubt it very much. So as competitive as it may be and as rigouous as it may be to train for what you do, it has no real purpose
other than vanity, thats why I call it vanity muscle.
I'd love to carry on this wee chat but I must away for a few days or more. All the best to you though and your future fat deposits.
I'm a powerlifter, not a bodybuilder. I have 100% functional strength. I can bench 200kg and run 100m in under 11 seconds @ 92kg body weight. I think your misinformed about the whole training thing. Throwing hey around of 12 hours isnt raw strength, its generic conditioning. I can pick up more than 99.9% of farmers in the world, press more, run faster, and longer. Thats because this is what I train to do. Can I throw hay around for 12 hours? not sure, but why would I?
Hoover slut
22671 Posts
Southend
Nasty As FuckIn reply tohttp://www.myprotein.com/uk/products/impact_whey_protein
^^^^^ This is a really good basic protein thats pretty cheap as well, Word of advice though dont get the unflavoured one taste like wall paper paste! Vanilla is pretty tasty and can be mixed with anything.
I swear im the only person who actually really likes the unflavoured ...um....flavour. Think its quite nice.
Gaz Gibson
7795 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply to
In reply to
It's not a difference in opinion. It's fact.
And yeah, I do take it seriously, thats why I finished 3rd in the world powerlifting championships in November. But obviously, i've been doing it all wrong.
A lollypop would be nice, will put it in my trophy cabinet with the rest of my awards.
Well thats all very nice but can you pike hay bales on to huge loaders up to and above 12feet high for 12 hours day after day? I doubt it very much. So as competitive as it may be and as rigouous as it may be to train for what you do, it has no real purpose other than vanity, thats why I call it vanity muscle.
I'd love to carry on this wee chat but I must away for a few days or more. All the best to you though and your future fat deposits.
Fucking bore off its totally irrelevant
AMH
1136 Posts
Halifax
Hard StuffIn reply toIn reply to
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It's not a difference in opinion. It's fact.
And yeah, I do take it seriously, thats why I finished 3rd in the world powerlifting championships in November. But obviously, i've been doing it all wrong.
A lollypop would be nice, will put it in my trophy cabinet with the rest of my awards.
Well thats all very nice but can you pike hay bales on to huge loaders up to and above 12feet high for 12 hours day after day? I doubt it very much. So as competitive as it may be and as rigouous as it may be to train for what you do, it has no real purpose other than vanity, thats why I call it vanity muscle.
I'd love to carry on this wee chat but I must away for a few days or more. All the best to you though and your future fat deposits.
Fucking bore off its totally irrelevant
Gaz Gibson
7795 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseWell you're being a cunt for no apparent reason, your the one with problem, not me. Playground name calling. Pathetic. The man asked for some advice and you and your bumchum went totally off topic. He asked about protein shakes, nothing else, not anything regarding farmer Joe, or whatever else you both blabbed on about. No need.
Post edited by owner 09/02/2012 15:50:03 Devo
2265 Posts
Dublin
DevstepIn reply toI agree with everything Nomis has said.
BEEFCAKE!!!
Even the stuff he was wrong about?
Andy Graves
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Hard stomping boshing twisted groovesIn reply to
Well you're being a cunt for no apparent reason, your the one with problem, not me. Playground name calling. Pathetic. The man asked for some advice and you and your bumchum went totally off topic. He asked about protein shakes, nothing else, not anything regarding farmer Joe, or whatever else you both blabbed on about. No need.
Lets answer these in turn, shall we?
- Well you're being a cunt for no apparent reason - at what stage have I been a cunt, pray tell? All I've done is tell you what I think about something; that hardly makes me a cunt.
- your the one with
problem, not me - I don't have a problem?
- Playground name calling - what name did I call you?
- Pathetic. The man asked for
some advice and you and your bumchum went totally off topic. He asked
about protein shakes, nothing else, not anything regarding farmer Joe,
or whatever else you both blabbed on about. No need - he asked about protein shakes and Jake and I suggested, politely, that - in our opinion - humans don't require additional nutritional supplementation.
You appear to have an inherant inability to be able to handle any kind of - perceived - criticism?
Post edited by owner 09/02/2012 16:32:10 Phily Mac
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TradeIn reply to
In reply to
- humans don't require nutritional supplementation.
Your dead right humans dont need nutritional supplementation, if the right type/quantity of food is eaten people cant get the same results as with protein supplementation but the majority of people dont have the time or money to eat the volume of food it takes to get the amount of protein that can be obtained from a few simple protein shakes per day.
AMH
1136 Posts
Halifax
Hard StuffIn reply toIn reply to
In reply to
- humans don't require nutritional supplementation.
Your dead right humans dont need nutritional supplementation, if the right type/quantity of food is eaten people cant get the same results as with protein supplementation but the majority of people dont have the time or money to eat the volume of food it takes to get the amount of protein that can be obtained from a few simple protein shakes per day.
Wrong, some shakes are refined, no foods will contain the same amount of digestable protein with calories being as low, second to this, there are important supplements that you won't get in food, Glucosamine Sulphate for one. But, your right about the majority should be food based.
Post edited by owner 09/02/2012 16:42:57 AMH
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Halifax
Hard Stuff
didn't really see any downside to that, seems like common sense. Maybe osteoperosis, but chances are if your into protein your into weights, which in turn increases bone density. Majority of protein shakes will include calcium also.
Also, a fiver says the people that wrote that are fat and jealous, or flimsy and grown up in cotton wool.
Edit. It's a fallacy. Here's actual studies and experiments concluding that protein hasn othing but a positive effect on bone health and reproduction of osteoclasts...
http://iontheworld.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/the-truth-about-bone-density-and-animal-protein-fighting-veganvegetarian-disinformation/
Post edited by owner 09/02/2012 16:52:31 Gaz Gibson
7795 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply to
In reply to
Well you're being a cunt for no apparent reason, your the one with problem, not me. Playground name calling. Pathetic. The man asked for some advice and you and your bumchum went totally off topic. He asked about protein shakes, nothing else, not anything regarding farmer Joe, or whatever else you both blabbed on about. No need.
Lets answer these in turn, shall we?
- Well you're being a cunt for no apparent reason - at what stage have I been a cunt, pray tell? All I've done is tell you what I think about something; that hardly makes me a cunt.
BEEFCAKE??- your the one with problem, not me - I don't have a problem?
BEEFCAKE??- Playground name calling - what name did I call you?
BEEFCAKE?? - Pathetic. The man asked for some advice and you and your bumchum went totally off topic. He asked about protein shakes, nothing else, not anything regarding farmer Joe, or whatever else you both blabbed on about. No need - he asked about protein shakes and Jake and I suggested, politely, that - in our opinion - humans don't require additional nutritional supplementation.
You appear to have an inherant inability to be able to handle any kind of - perceived - criticism?
It wasnt critisism towards me...And i stand by my point neither of what either of you said had any baring on the question that was asked, correct me if im wrong? It wont be long before you bring up the producer/engineer debate that your so bitter about
Post edited by owner 09/02/2012 16:59:36 Andy Graves
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Hard stomping boshing twisted groovesIn reply toIn reply to
In reply to
Well you're being a cunt for no apparent reason, your the one with problem, not me. Playground name calling. Pathetic. The man asked for some advice and you and your bumchum went totally off topic. He asked about protein shakes, nothing else, not anything regarding farmer Joe, or whatever else you both blabbed on about. No need.
Lets answer these in turn, shall we?
- Well you're being a cunt for no apparent reason - at what stage have I been a cunt, pray tell? All I've done is tell you what I think about something; that hardly makes me a cunt.
BEEFCAKE??- your the one with problem, not me - I don't have a problem?
BEEFCAKE??- Playground name calling - what name did I call you?
BEEFCAKE?? - Pathetic. The man asked for some advice and you and your bumchum went totally off topic. He asked about protein shakes, nothing else, not anything regarding farmer Joe, or whatever else you both blabbed on about. No need - he asked about protein shakes and Jake and I suggested, politely, that - in our opinion - humans don't require additional nutritional supplementation.
You appear to have an inherant inability to be able to handle any kind of - perceived - criticism?
It wasnt critisism towards me...And i stand by my point neither of what either of you said had any baring on the question that was asked, correct me if im wrong? It wont be long before you bring up the producer/engineer debate that your so bitter about
You have seen the South Park episode that 'beefcake' refers to, haven't you?
Big Jon
1467 Posts
The middle
Proper Groovin' tonking tuffness!!!bytheway ive brought some from myprotein.co.uk....................
you can now carry on the man vs supplement war .................... i thank you
Gaz Gibson
7795 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply to
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
Well you're being a cunt for no apparent reason, your the one with problem, not me. Playground name calling. Pathetic. The man asked for some advice and you and your bumchum went totally off topic. He asked about protein shakes, nothing else, not anything regarding farmer Joe, or whatever else you both blabbed on about. No need.
Lets answer these in turn, shall we?
- Well you're being a cunt for no apparent reason - at what stage have I been a cunt, pray tell? All I've done is tell you what I think about something; that hardly makes me a cunt.
BEEFCAKE??- your the one with problem, not me - I don't have a problem?
BEEFCAKE??- Playground name calling - what name did I call you?
BEEFCAKE?? - Pathetic. The man asked for some advice and you and your bumchum went totally off topic. He asked about protein shakes, nothing else, not anything regarding farmer Joe, or whatever else you both blabbed on about. No need - he asked about protein shakes and Jake and I suggested, politely, that - in our opinion - humans don't require additional nutritional supplementation.
You appear to have an inherant inability to be able to handle any kind of - perceived - criticism?
It wasnt critisism towards me...And i stand by my point neither of what either of you said had any baring on the question that was asked, correct me if im wrong? It wont be long before you bring up the producer/engineer debate that your so bitter about
You have seen the South Park episode that 'beefcake' refers to, haven't you?
no
Andy Graves
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Hard stomping boshing twisted groovesIn reply toIn reply to
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
Well you're being a cunt for no apparent reason, your the one with problem, not me. Playground name calling. Pathetic. The man asked for some advice and you and your bumchum went totally off topic. He asked about protein shakes, nothing else, not anything regarding farmer Joe, or whatever else you both blabbed on about. No need.
Lets answer these in turn, shall we?
- Well you're being a cunt for no apparent reason - at what stage have I been a cunt, pray tell? All I've done is tell you what I think about something; that hardly makes me a cunt.
BEEFCAKE??- your the one with problem, not me - I don't have a problem?
BEEFCAKE??- Playground name calling - what name did I call you?
BEEFCAKE?? - Pathetic. The man asked for some advice and you and your bumchum went totally off topic. He asked about protein shakes, nothing else, not anything regarding farmer Joe, or whatever else you both blabbed on about. No need - he asked about protein shakes and Jake and I suggested, politely, that - in our opinion - humans don't require additional nutritional supplementation.
You appear to have an inherant inability to be able to handle any kind of - perceived - criticism?
It wasnt critisism towards me...And i stand by my point neither of what either of you said had any baring on the question that was asked, correct me if im wrong? It wont be long before you bring up the producer/engineer debate that your so bitter about
You have seen the South Park episode that 'beefcake' refers to, haven't you?
no
Watch it - it's funny as fuck
Dolewaller
7718 Posts
Leeds
Your taxes, my booze.I take this stuff called extreme pro-6. Personally I think its great.
Socky
3367 Posts
Brisbane
Rave Musicmyprotein stuff rocks.
Best post workout supplement I've ever had is afterglow
Dolewaller
7718 Posts
Leeds
Your taxes, my booze.All I will say on the matter is that aliens DO exist.
AMH
1136 Posts
Halifax
Hard StuffIn reply to
None are much better than the other.. all down to price, taste and protein content ultimately. Unless you go for all in one shakes, then it depends what you want in it.
I like MP coz theyre cheap and you get points like Tesco!
Protein bioavailability. Theres some cheap shit out there with shit loads of protein which will just pass through you and give you bad guts.... not to mention LDL cholesterol which will fuck you up more than a big mac.
within reason, you get what you pay for.
Semtex Kid.
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DonkIn reply toYour right we don't NEED protein shakes, but you won't develop to be as strong without them. Your comparing human survival with muscle building.
Also, you are talking absolute shite. I'm not going to sugar coat it. People that go to the gym that train to be strong will always be stronger than someone with a job that requires graft.
If this wasn't true, think strongmen/weightlifters/powerlifters/bodybuilders would put their body through hell, injury, and insane diets and nutrition regimes? would they fuck. They'd help out farmer joe. BOLLOX they would.
I look healthy enough and can safely say i'm strong, powerful, and fit. Protein shakes play a part of my life, as they do with all athletes.....
Maybe you should tell them all they are wasting their money?
i have a friend who goes the gym religiously, hammers the protein and has a proper diet blah blah blah, hes won countless weight lifting comp's mostly in the NW and hes been in comps abroad. We had him on site and labouring on us and was as strong as a 5 year old.
imo all this weightlifting, deadlifts etc is all about the technique.
Dolewaller
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Your taxes, my booze.In reply toIn reply toYour right we don't NEED protein shakes, but you won't develop to be as strong without them. Your comparing human survival with muscle building.
Also, you are talking absolute shite. I'm not going to sugar coat it. People that go to the gym that train to be strong will always be stronger than someone with a job that requires graft.
If this wasn't true, think strongmen/weightlifters/powerlifters/bodybuilders would put their body through hell, injury, and insane diets and nutrition regimes? would they fuck. They'd help out farmer joe. BOLLOX they would.
I look healthy enough and can safely say i'm strong, powerful, and fit. Protein shakes play a part of my life, as they do with all athletes.....
Maybe you should tell them all they are wasting their money?
i have a friend who goes the gym religiously, hammers the protein and has a proper diet blah blah blah, hes won countless weight lifting comp's mostly in the NW and hes been in comps abroad. We had him on site and labouring on us and was as strong as a 5 year old.
imo all this weightlifting, deadlifts etc is all about the technique.
Technique comes into it, but its certainly not ALL about the technique
Semtex Kid.
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DonkIn reply toIn reply toIn reply toYour right we don't NEED protein shakes, but you won't develop to be as strong without them. Your comparing human survival with muscle building.
Also, you are talking absolute shite. I'm not going to sugar coat it. People that go to the gym that train to be strong will always be stronger than someone with a job that requires graft.
If this wasn't true, think strongmen/weightlifters/powerlifters/bodybuilders would put their body through hell, injury, and insane diets and nutrition regimes? would they fuck. They'd help out farmer joe. BOLLOX they would.
I look healthy enough and can safely say i'm strong, powerful, and fit. Protein shakes play a part of my life, as they do with all athletes.....
Maybe you should tell them all they are wasting their money?
i have a friend who goes the gym religiously, hammers the protein and has a proper diet blah blah blah, hes won countless weight lifting comp's mostly in the NW and hes been in comps abroad. We had him on site and labouring on us and was as strong as a 5 year old.
imo all this weightlifting, deadlifts etc is all about the technique.
Technique comes into it, but its certainly not ALL about the technique
obviously
AMH
1136 Posts
Halifax
Hard StuffOnce again your confusing bodybuilding with powerlifting.
Climbing a ladder all day is not strength. I don't know what part of your little mind you don't understand about it. Someone asked about protein, and we give our opinion, and you start giving it the 'bodybuilders can't work on building sites'.
So fucking what!>?
Bodybuilders train for size (irony), and powerlifters train for power and strength (even more irony). If you honestly think the typical brickie or laborer is as strong as a trained athlete in any of the disciplines you are seriously deluded.
As for moving something from A to B... Yes I can, I do farmers carries as part of my warm up routine, which involves carrying 2 x 140kg sleds 3 x 30m.
As for the ladder, I do rope climbs with a 40kg bergan on, so yes again.
If the guy wants protein shakes so he can work on this worlds hardest building site you imagined up in your head then take a fuckin bow, you gave him the best advice ever.
As far as I knew, he wanted to build a bit of muscle and lose fat.... which has no correlation to working on a building site.
Secondly.... even if I were to entertain your argument which is completely seperate to strength etc etc....
Anecdote....
Mr.A plays on his xbox all day everyday, and gets a job on a building site.
Mr.B goes to the gym everyday, eats well, and is in good shape.
So, with your maths, mr.A getst he job because he's not a bodybuilder. Please tell me you aren't for real.
If this is one big wind up and i've fell for it, i feel stupid. if not, then you need to give your head a shake 
Oliver Cattley
874 Posts
THE LOTMaximuslce promax strawberry....
My old housemate was an athlete for team GB... they bought his gym memberships, hoodies and joggers with his name on and most importantly his protein ...
(the only one they would invest in, ....bearing in mind hes represented us in the olympics (and looks ripped ALL year round.... was maximuslce)...
It costs a little more but worth it (so far ive had the myprotein stuff, reflex whey, holland and barratt and a few others but this is my reccomendation).
In terms of bioavailability, it ranks over chick and eggs!
no fat, easily digested, all the essential BCAAs, very little sugar, tastes great, easy prep, lasts for ages
Gaz Gibson
7795 Posts
WIGAN
ard oooooseIn reply to
Also grafters have shown up muscle men? Doing what? Grafting.... ? Welldone. Forums about muscle and strength. Move on. Before you spread more irrelevant bullshit
I wouldnt waste your time, he knows more about the people that have done this for 10+ years etc etc etc. Amazing.
Post edited by owner 18/02/2012 23:37:26 NoMiS ChaV
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innitAz doesnt stay on track, he also puts words in the mouths of those he is discussing with to suit his own tac, either that or he just has a gross misunderstanding of the language. And Gaz, youre a follower, nothing to say to you really so bore off. Az, you keep going on about the irrelevence of grafters yet also keep putting forward your own achievments which are just as irelevant as that which you scorn, I dont think you are clever enough to actually reply to anything I write without losing sight of what I have writen, you seem to keep going back to your own irelevant achievments. Most people that take these supslements take them to BUILD MUSCLE, thats how they are marketed and those people are the target market! Your army training etc is on the same irelevance level as a grafter in this topic in that respect, is it not? So lets keep confusing what YOU do with they want. All I have argued is that good hard work coupled with a correct diet of natural foodstuffs is better for you than a few hours in the gym and a big load of sups, in many levels: strenght, stamina, will power etc...
AMH
1136 Posts
Halifax
Hard StuffIn reply to
Az doesnt stay on track, he also puts words in the mouths of those he is discussing with to suit his own tac, either that or he just has a gross misunderstanding of the language. And Gaz, youre a follower, nothing to say to you really so bore off. Az, you keep going on about the irrelevence of grafters yet also keep putting forward your own achievments which are just as irelevant as that which you scorn, I dont think you are clever enough to actually reply to anything I write without losing sight of what I have writen, you seem to keep going back to your own irelevant achievments. Most people that take these supslements take them to BUILD MUSCLE, thats how they are marketed and those people are the target market! Your army training etc is on the same irelevance level as a grafter in this topic in that respect, is it not? So lets keep confusing what YOU do with they want. All I have argued is that good hard work coupled with a correct diet of natural foodstuffs is better for you than a few hours in the gym and a big load of sups, in many levels: strenght, stamina, will power etc...
Purely agree with this. But the reason I argued is you saying that gym muscles aren't strong, instead of referring to the mystery mate that everyone has, I used myself.
Lets leave it at that
NoMiS ChaV
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innitAny muscle in repetition will be strong in that repetition and the muscle mass from that repetition will buckle if taken to a scenario that reguires many angles etc of use(like a building site, foundry, farm and etc) thats why that kind of muscle becomes useless in those environments(and I have seen big men feeling shame about this), I have seen it happen just as was said earlier about the 5 year old like labourer, it is like that, take a man your own size and build that is pure gym muscle, he wont be able to do what you do just as he wont be able to do what I do even though I am smaller than that/you, he wont last the day let alone a month. That is why I call it vanity muscle, because it has no practical use outside of the feel good factor and its own settings. I also feel the sups are not good for people (single blokes that cant cook for themselves properly and looking for quick fixes on top of a bad diet)in the majority and can cause imbalances that will not be properly adressed because of lifestyle tendancies etc.So I feel that any recomendation of any supplement should not be given until a full diagnosis of exercise vs diet and more has been brought to the full understanding of those making the suggestion and that supplements should not be suggested or advised before a formed diet/exercise regime has first been put in place, none of which was done for the benifit of Jon before a myriad of sups were put forward. BTW: I respect the acknowledgement of my last post, I also respect those achievements, couldnt say so while we were arguing..haha. Respect.
Post edited by owner 19/02/2012 02:22:17 AMH
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Halifax
Hard StuffIn reply toAny muscle in repetition will be strong in that repetition and the muscle mass from that repetition will buckle if taken to a scenario that reguires many angles etc of use(like a building site, foundry, farm and etc) thats why that kind of muscle becomes useless in those environments(and I have seen big men feeling shame about this), I have seen it happen just as was said earlier about the 5 year old like labourer, it is like that, take a man your own size and build that is pure gym muscle, he wont be able to do what you do just as he wont be able to dso what I do even though I am smaller than that/you, he wont last the day let alone a month. That is why I call it vanity muscle, because it has no practical use outside of the feel good factor and its own settings. I also feel the sups are not good for people (single blokes that cant cook for themselves properly and looking for quick fixes)in the majority and can cause imbalances that will not be properly adressed because of lifestyle tendancies etc.So I feel that any recomendation of any supplement should not be given until a full diagnosis of exercise vs diet and more has been brought to the full understanding of those making the suggestion. BTW: I respect the acknowledgement of my last post, I also respect those achievements, couldnt say so while we were arguing..haha. Respect.
Thanks mate.
Respect to the grafters...
Adzr
1281 Posts
Essex
Hard NRGTo a certain extent I agree with both arguements, I weight train 3 times a week, and I work on building sites all week long, so have experience of both, I think the key to the weightlifting arguement is one, remembering supplements are just that, to supplement an already good diet, and two, that weight training done effectively will need exercises that are organised to make sure you're balancing opposing muscles, for instance, just doing bench press may well build your chest muscles, but you need to equally hit your back muscles properly to balance things.... a lot of so called weight trainers do a few bicep curls and some bench presses, and assume that means cos they've done their t shirt muscles they're strong as fuck... it needs proper organising to hit all muscle groups properly, hence my earlier mention of compound lifts.
The building site arguement is also true though, I don't look particularly big, in fact I'm pretty skinny, but know some of my mates who are no doubt bigger and more "muscley" wouldn't keep up with me on site, although I would put that down to stamina and what is essentially practice, I've been doing it for years, course I can cope.
So, I guess to some up... I'm sitting on the fence
Andy Graves
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Hard stomping boshing twisted groovesIn reply toIn reply toYour right we don't NEED protein shakes, but you won't develop to be as strong without them. Your comparing human survival with muscle building.
Also, you are talking absolute shite. I'm not going to sugar coat it. People that go to the gym that train to be strong will always be stronger than someone with a job that requires graft.
If this wasn't true, think strongmen/weightlifters/powerlifters/bodybuilders would put their body through hell, injury, and insane diets and nutrition regimes? would they fuck. They'd help out farmer joe. BOLLOX they would.
I look healthy enough and can safely say i'm strong, powerful, and fit. Protein shakes play a part of my life, as they do with all athletes.....
Maybe you should tell them all they are wasting their money?
i have a friend who goes the gym religiously, hammers the protein and has a proper diet blah blah blah, hes won countless weight lifting comp's mostly in the NW and hes been in comps abroad. We had him on site and labouring on us and was as strong as a 5 year old.
imo all this weightlifting, deadlifts etc is all about the technique.
All you BEEFCAKE chumps = pwn3d!!!
