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3 years ago
jukesy
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Was in a meeting last week about the scene in general and would really like your views and suggestions....

I know sam put a post up about where to go with tracks in the future but where do we go with the whole scene?

Vinyl Sales are gradually getting less and less and Mp3 sales aint exactly massive so wheredo we go from here??

Do alot of people still share mainly on p2p networks? If so what can we do to encourage people to move away from that

Would introducing CD's for people to buy aswell as vinyl be any good? would people but them if they were a higher quality than mp3?

 

3 years ago
fLyMo ©†¥†®´?œ´®
flymo Pic3527 Posts
Englandnrgonia
Music Style flynrg
In reply to

Was in a meeting last week about the scene in general and would really like your views and suggestions....

I know sam put a post up about where to go with tracks in the future but where do we go with the whole scene?

Vinyl Sales are gradually getting less and less and Mp3 sales aint exactly massive so wheredo we go from here??

Do alot of people still share mainly on p2p networks? If so what can we do to encourage people to move away from that

Would introducing CD's for people to buy aswell as vinyl be any good? would people but them if they were a higher quality than mp3?

 

they probably would but then the higher quality version would be leaked onto the net. its all shit imo, i dont know what can be done to stop it
3 years ago
AP - Inactive - 11500
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most of the stuff nowadays isn't really worth buying..

decks no longer sellout guitars anymore and the whole DJ craze has fallen throughout the world, not only UK.

IMO if you weren't on the bandwagon you missed it. if the giants like Sony and EMI are affected by the turn of trends then smaller labels and artists have to be very cautious.

Hooj seemed to be doing fine until the vinyl craze dropped dramatically, as are Nukleuz's sales.
Vinyl came back from nigh extinction and has now, after another good try, been pushed down due to digital technology...

I would recommend following the path Vicious Circle have set. They are careful with their releases, only releasing good material and at practical times. The days of releasing tune after tune is over.

As for mp3 sales, following a discussion i had with some friends at BXR, mp3 sales are not the way to go about making money as a primary income. Compilations, rights and music videos seem to be the only way forward for the harder side of the sceneeyesup

Look back onto the days where the harder markets were flourishing! The scene nowadays is swamped and swamped with everyone trying to take a bite out of a nigh dying animal.. the hard dance scene!

My advice would be to follow Vicious Circle's example. Good secure promotion, high calibre productions and good presentation.
If not try aim at another scene. Sentiment and personal tastes shouldn't get in the way of business decisions. Thats what they taught me at Law school anyway..

3 years ago
Bongo
Bongo Pic986 Posts
AustraliaHobart
Music Style Anything that's good
Variety.

Bring back.

Funk.

Groove.

Melody.

Rhythm.

Swing.

Trance.

Acid that doesn't squeal at me, used for rhythmic effect. A la old Jon the Dentist tunes.

Lose all this and all we have is BANG BANG and TECH TECH.
3 years ago
Narc
NARC Pic2163 Posts
AustraliaBurton
Music Style ultra hard energy
In reply to
Variety.

Bring back.

Funk.

Groove.

Melody.

Rhythm.

Swing.


Fuck that Bongo that is completly not what i want in my banging tunes... I want dark, souless, electric, energy driven hardness. Id like to hear the complexity and intensity of productions increase, and im sure with time they will.
3 years ago
Narc
narc Pic2163 Posts
AustraliaBurton
Music Style ultra hard energy
Not liking the cd idea either, too easily damaged and far too easily shared thumbsdown
Id say the best bet would be to up the quality control on releases... Theres a lot of good stuff coming out, but not much thats really that special.

I think a lot of labels are fucking themselves aswell, by signing trax and then taking too long to release them, by the time we get some stuff its been thrashed in online mixes and is no longer anything special..

Post edited by owner 8/25/2005 6:55:28 AM
3 years ago
Dan Dyson
hooverboy Pic4630 Posts
United KingdomSouth London
Music Style Filthy NRG
In reply to
Not liking the cd idea either, too easily damaged and far too easily shared thumbsdown
Id say the best bet would be to up the quality control on releases... Theres a lot of good stuff coming out, but not much thats really that special.

I think a lot of labels are fucking themselves aswell, by signing trax and then taking too long to release them, by the time we get some stuff its been thrashed in online mixes and is no longer anything special..

Good Point mate..signing stuff one or two at a time would keep it fresh...biggrin
3 years ago
Sam Hudson / masmada
SAMHUDSON Pic1496 Posts
EnglandSwindon
Music Style thunk
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signing trax and then taking too long to release them, by the time we get some stuff its been thrashed in online mixes and is no longer anything special..


never a truer word spoken

how many labels are booked up for ages and ages now? absolutely pointless

by the time they are released they have already started to sound dated and as stated people have got them and they are bored of them

and producers are getting sick of producing to be told...wow, ace track but i cant sign it cos i have to much to release! I know sooo many wicked producers who have fucked off hard house and this being one of the main reasons!!

its a difficult situation and i think there is no real solution as mp3 d/l's are not massive and the fact msn allows tunes to be sent (as well as soulseek etc) the chance of sharing is pretty much 100%
3 years ago
MAXI ohh look at me im travelling MILIAN
madmax Pic18042 Posts
EnglandBirmingham
Music Style OLD SCHOOL JACKING HARDHOUSE
In reply to

Do alot of people still share mainly on p2p networks? If so what can we do to encourage people to move away from that

Would introducing CD's for people to buy aswell as vinyl be any good? would people but them if they were a higher quality than mp3?

 


many people will never buy stuff these days, doestn matter how cheap/what format it ia........ simply because they can get it for freethumbsdown
3 years ago
Morbz
mrbonez Pic27706 Posts
England
Music Style TIMMEH & THE LORDS OF THE UNDERWORLD!
depends how you look at it.  when the scene "went big" a few years back it was always going to be a short lived fad.  Whilst it was nice to hope things would carry on i think it was foolish to think otherwise.  The scene has just gone back underground now.  Thats just my view on it, sorry if it doesn't offer any way forward
3 years ago
Bongo
Bongo Pic986 Posts
AustraliaHobart
Music Style Anything that's good
In reply to
by the time they are released they have already started to sound dated and as stated people have got them and they are bored of them

Sorry, but that line has been trotted out and I sincerely believe it to be a load of crap. Look at a track like beaver, it copped an absolute caning by glazby and co before it's release but I guarantee ya no-one was sick of by the time it was released. If it's a good enough track you're not going to get bored of it after just a month or so.

I'm still caning Equinox's No more, Hocus Pocus, Charletan, Black Dog, Crazy Pills, Wind it up, Ascension, Sasha V's Altered Reality, Jody 6's Blue Pill, Langford's No Escape, Maddox's remix of blah blah blah

Costi, there's so much stuff out there in the exact style you describe. Like it or not, we need some variety back again or we'll end up with a scene so small and STALE it'll be insignificant.

Do you guys seriously believe going FURTHER down the same path which has lead to a decrease in hard dance popularity will lead to a INCREASE in hard dance popularity?

It's about time producers STOP whinging about tracks not getting signed too. Release it yourself if you think it's good enough.

Post edited by owner 8/25/2005 10:29:01 AM
3 years ago
Bongo
Bongo Pic986 Posts
AustraliaHobart
Music Style Anything that's good
Yes, yes, granted a lot of you don't care about the overall popularity of the scene and ideally it shouldn't be about that anyway.

But then again, so many of you seem to care so much about getting signed and selling # copies of a record tho'. So surely most producers want to be sucessful to a certain extent?
3 years ago
Bongo
Bongo Pic986 Posts
AustraliaHobart
Music Style Anything that's good
In reply to
Fuck that Bongo that is completly not what i want in my banging tunes... I want dark, souless, electric, energy driven hardness.


You want it to be dark and soulless but you want it to have plenty of energy?

Imho it's very rare to get a combination like that in a track. Just about every track I've ever heard with plenty of "energy" about it has some "light" in it.

But it definately depends on your definations of each adjective, for something to have plenty of energy imho, it needs something uplifting about it, it doesn't have to be much tho'. Great example of this is with the finrg stuff, it's definately dark stuff but it still has an uplifting quality about the music. A great combination.

Even a track like your Insaneo has some soul and uplifting energy injected in to it with the catchy little vocal sample you used.

Post edited by owner 8/25/2005 10:47:08 AM
3 years ago
Marc Johnson
marcjohnson Pic2052 Posts
United KingdomLondon
Music Style energetic music
In reply to
In reply to
by the time they are released they have already started to sound dated and as stated people have got them and they are bored of them

Sorry, but that line has been trotted out and I sincerely believe it to be a load of crap. Look at a track like beaver, it copped an absolute caning by glazby and co before it's release but I guarantee ya no-one was sick of by the time it was released. If it's a good enough track you're not going to get bored of it after just a month or so.

I'm still caning Equinox's No more, Hocus Pocus, Charletan, Black Dog, Crazy Pills, Wind it up, Ascension, Sasha V's Altered Reality, Jody 6's Blue Pill, Langford's No Escape, Maddox's remix of blah blah blah

Costi, there's so much stuff out there in the exact style you describe. Like it or not, we need some variety back again or we'll end up with a scene so small and STALE it'll be insignificant.

Do you guys seriously believe going FURTHER down the same path which has lead to a decrease in hard dance popularity will lead to a INCREASE in hard dance popularity?

It's about time producers STOP whinging about tracks not getting signed too. Release it yourself if you think it's good enough.


wow, ive found a comment of yours that i actually agree with bongothumbsup

 

even if our schedule was maxed out and something came along that was really amazing ,then heaven and earth will be moved to fit it into the schedule

 

i just find that the producers who complain about not being able to get stuff signed are the ones who are making stuff that aint worth signing

 

get over it, others have to battle away to achieve stuff and get tracks signed, tough life for everyone hey

 

if a tune like beaver comes along and gets played by a select few untill release comes about then if its godd enough then people will still buy it

3 years ago
Bongo
Bongo Pic986 Posts
AustraliaHobart
Music Style Anything that's good
Well, I make so many of them that you're bound to agree with one of them eventually. smile
3 years ago
Bongo
Bongo Pic986 Posts
AustraliaHobart
Music Style Anything that's good
Oh, I still give Pandemonium a caning too Marc. smile
3 years ago
Goose
goose Pic5149 Posts
EnglandLondon
Music Style Prog, Trance, Tech Trance
Its all down to the whole club thing dyin out in the last few years.
Those that are starting to be of age where theyre starting to go out, are moshers not clubkids.

Doesnt matter how good tunes are, or how well produced/engineered they are, or whose made them or whos been playin them for 6 months. The fact of the matter is there just isnt enough people out there anymore, to buy so many records like there was 5 years ago! 5 years ago you could release pretty much any old crap as there was so many people (some clueless) that would buy it. They didnt see the quality they should have done, finally decided what they were listening to was shite (quite rightly) and moved on. (Shock, Ingo, Hotwax, cheekytrax....u have a lot to answer for)

Now 5 years on, those labels were still tryin to release the same continual out put of substandard tunes, only the problem being for them is that the people left in the scene now, generally tend to have a clue.....thus dont buy the bad tunes solely to bulk out their collection, so the record label loses money on a tune, so they put out more tunes to try and recoup the money....eventually you get to a company like nukleuz!
Once great, now fallen on hard times.

HOWEVER.......

maybe given such times of low sales/harship of our scene etc, its time for the remixers/producers/engineers/DJs etc etc to lower some of the exorbitant prices!! If theres less people in the scene theres less income!!!
Bein an accountant, i would say that increasing production costs (remixers/engineers etc) against declining vinyl sales creates a massive Variance that is not sustainable!!
3 years ago
Dave Owens
Dave Owens Pic1401 Posts
United KingdomThe North West
Music Style Hard House / NRG

Kiss ass. laughing

I think the whole small producer, hard done by thing is a bit of a wind up. Variety is definately the way forward.

3 years ago
jukesy
jukesy Pic1191 Posts

Just say for instance if the price of vinyl came down would that have any effect?

The only way that would ever happen though is if the shop reduced the price as they get the largest profit margin of the whole label/distrubuter/shop chain and i cant see that ever happening

3 years ago
MAXI ohh look at me im travelling MILIAN
madmax Pic18042 Posts
EnglandBirmingham
Music Style OLD SCHOOL JACKING HARDHOUSE
In reply to

i just find that the producers who complain about not being able to get stuff signed are the ones who are making stuff that aint worth signing

 

get over it, others have to battle away to achieve stuff and get tracks signed, tough life for everyone hey

 

if a tune like beaver comes along and gets played by a select few untill release comes about then if its godd enough then people will still buy it


Although would you have had as many releases/remixes if you didnt own/run two labels?

Post edited by owner 8/25/2005 11:19:27 AM
3 years ago
Marc Johnson
marcjohnson Pic2052 Posts
United KingdomLondon
Music Style energetic music
In reply to

Just say for instance if the price of vinyl came down would that have any effect?

The only way that would ever happen though is if the shop reduced the price as they get the largest profit margin of the whole label/distrubuter/shop chain and i cant see that ever happening

that would never happen unless the prices to make them at the plants come down,which will shock me if it happens as they dont give a fuck about how many units you sell so long as they are still trading

 

its a chain so the whole chain would need to cut costs down which i cant see happening

3 years ago
Norris
norris Pic6040 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hard House

Marc, just out of curiosity, how well are Tripoli doing sales wise???

3 years ago
Marc Johnson
marcjohnson Pic2052 Posts
United KingdomLondon
Music Style energetic music
well like any label its not doing what it was doing in its hey day
3 years ago
Norris
norris Pic6040 Posts
EnglandLeeds
Music Style Hard House
In reply to
well like any label its not doing what it was doing in its hey day


But it must be doing OK for them to release so many tunes?

I only ask because, in my opinion, if you release good tunes people will buy them, if you release crap tunes people wont, Tripoli are consistenly releaseing good tunes, so I would have thought their vinyl sales wouldnt be too bad.....

3 years ago
Marc Johnson
marcjohnson Pic2052 Posts
United KingdomLondon
Music Style energetic music

tripoli is doing well mate, but like i said well is not like amazing to what it used to do

 

good tunes will sell no matter what, but you can only sell to people who like the genre and unfortunatlly there aint that many people left liking it like there was a few years ago

 

all thats gonna happen in the next year are the people in it for the "dj status/making money" will all fuck off to pastures new and there will be a tiny cluster left flying the flag untill the next wave of people come through to the scene then theyll all re emerge

 

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