Denon vs Pioneer

I am looking to buy a cdj but im torn between getting a pioneer or a denon. The denons to me seem to have more features than the pioneers and after watching a few demos seem to do almost anything. Can anyone shed some light on the subject for me, does anyone own or used both so they can give me some advice. Cheers

Go for a Pioneer m8. The Denon will probably break after a week!!!!!!!!!

99.9% probably do but does that make them better than the denon?! Im not sure, same with mixers, i have a djm 600 which is a wicked mixer and is used in many clubs along with the new djm 3000 but then allen and heath do some top notch mixers which people swear by so which is best?! Its more personal opinion than fact but was just wanting some opinions!

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The Denon's are awesome, the new direct drive motor just completes the package, seriously better than the Pioneer

would this overcome the problems outlined in this thread (with respect to the denons)?

http://www.harderfaster.net/?sid=c01064e12b149ae6649d4f43bd675602&section=forums&action=showthread&forumid=9&threadid=136609

pioneer are by far the better unit!!!

with regard to the mixer post above what allen and heath is it?

Xone62, it pisses all over the 500.

The problem I have with the Pioneer stuff is it feels cheap, the 500 is flimsy & the effects are pretty naff & I don't think it's as intuitive as the Allen & Heath, I've also heard a lot of stories about bits breaking off. It's the same for the CD turntables, they just don't feel as well made as the Denons, also at the moment you can pick up a Denon dirt cheap as everyone is going for the Pioneer.

All the talk about 'industry standard' is crap because anyone with half a brain fucked on ket should be able to transfer the basics which is the most important thing....

I've just had a ganger on www.djempire.co.uk & the Pioneer CDJ1000 is £724.95 the Denon DNS5000 is £584.95 £140 difference would speak volumes to me (I'm cheap though ) even the new top Denon  is £75 cheaper...

The Technics is going for £564.95, I wonder if they're having trouble shifting them

goose is right, its ok saying clubs use pioneer but the chances of people actually making it as DJ's playing week in week out is quite slim really these days so buy what you like best, its gonna be £500-800 of your money so get what you think you can produce the best results on.

if you had the choice, you'd have to be mad if you choose denon over pioneer

I have 2 Pioneer CDJ 100s, a mate has CDJ 800's another has the Denon 3000's. I rekon they're all good, mine are obviously very basic, both the higher end Denon and Pioneers are great to mix on. I would go for the Pioneers if I was to upgrade. The problem with the Denon is simply the time it takes to cue up. With Pioneers it's within seconds, I found it more difficult with the Denons.

With Pioneers you can use the fastforward button and then use the jog wheel for extra speed, plus with the finger on the ff button you can use the jogwheel to also go back and it's on your cue point in seconds. On the Denon's as far as I can work out it's not possible to do this. The only options are hit FF once and it'll skip forward 1 minute or hold it and it'll FF (but not quick enough IMO).

lol @ everyone who is recommending Denon.

I've spent days worth of time reading every review I can find from people who've used a whole range of CDJs. I think the best value CDJ by far seems to be the Pioneer CDJ-200, so long as you don't want vinyl emulation/scratch facility.

I simply can't consider anything else after what I've learned. Despite nowhere in Greater Manchester having them in stock.

I'm selling a Denon S5000 right now. I'll sell it for $600US plus int'l shipping.

Here's my argument - http://www.bangingtunes.com/forum/topic/t46732/

Gotta be CDJ

 Erm, Wtf, a Denon over a pioneer, get out.

Pioneer all the way !

And double LOL on all the people that say DJM600s have shite sound quality. 

Don't believe all the hype about Allen & Heaths.

No way, vestax mixers are the WORST. Crap slack faders, worse slippery small eq's. Although I dont scratch so some of these things might be useful to others.

Still crap like.

I've used Denons (the ones with the spinning platter and two tracks off one CD thing) and CDJ1000s side by side, the Denons are shit imo. They seem great but when you touch the platter (or PB buttons) they either dont slow down enough, or nearly grind to a halt. There's also 2 buttons right near the PB ones that skip 1 minute into your track and they are so easy to press in a dark club, making you look like a bellend. Id rather use CDJ100s than those pieces of shit. IMHO

CDJs are just so intuitive, and you know what you're getting in a club just like 1210s. 

djm 800's kick the shit out of any mixer, any1 whom has used them will testify to this. And the cdj 800 is unreal 4 the money. I have two and am now on the verge of ditching vinyl.

Recently rinsed my credit card on 2 cdj800s & djm600. Best Thing i ever did!!!!!! Wots so good bout A&H???? After all They're packed with effects are'nt they??

Well guys, i can say this is really good conversation. lot of ideas will be revised and clear to every one of us who like to be in this DJ world.

For me, i've been living in a place where i dont have much choices, but of the few choices that i have are Denon and Pioneer.

I'm into Electronic music and i'm willing to buy myself a set of players/mixer/effect unit, so actually i'm just looking for opinions.

The big question is Denon S3500 or Pioneer 1000MK3. What about the mixer, which mixer you guys recomend me to go for, and also an effect unit.

i know there are so many brands and so many units out there and if anyone is willing to spend that much amount of $$$$$$$, then he/she will be doing what i'm doing now .

Thanks alot, Jack.