9/11 - more evidence of an inside job

I am a CNC Machinist and have worked in several Machine Shops that would produce the components I used to machine in their own foundries. Special machines/furnaces have to be used to produce molten metal and steel, it's not an easy task. You certainly cant do it setting fire to a building.

 

And no one's denying that?

It doesn't matter who did it or how they did it - i'm not trying to blame anyone here, mate, i'm just looking at evidence. A smoking gun doesn't come with a tag that says who the gun shot or who fired it, but it is evidence that a gun was shot. This is evidence that the WTC was NOT destroyed by fire or by impact from an airplane. It may have been coincidence that airplanes hit the WTC and that the buildings were on fire, but something else was afoot. What I want you to explain to me is how this single piece of evidence, the rest of it notwithstanding, can IN ANY WAY be consistent with the official story. Explain to me how two planes, fuelled by kerosene and not armed with any weapons, could have caused this. If you cannot, then you must admit that something beyond the official story happened and you must also admit that the official government reports failed to take note of a very critical piece of evidence which overturns their entire thesis on the matter. You would have to admit to being one of the conspiracy theory nuts unless you can rationalise the presence of molten steel buried under the WTC rubble days and even weeks after the attack.

Is there any conceivable way that two airplanes and the ensuing damage, as we are meant to believe, could have caused this? This is the only question you need to answer.

 

Mike, sometimes you don't need concrete proof to draw a conclusion. The facts stare you right in the face. Proof of this will NEVER be found because the only ones who know the facts are the ones who have pulled this stunt off.

Lets just assume we're right. Me, Zero etc and WTC7 was previously rigged to blow for some mysterious reason. All they had to do is drop the building, say it happened due to fire and then millions of people like you around the world will back that claim up coz there's no real proof otherwise. You're accepting their word as gospel. Why ? What makes them so beyond telling a lie that despite seeing plenty evidence that is contrary to their version of events you'll believe them barely without question.

Just because they got their story in first don't make it true. The US government are THE biggest bunch of corrupt liars in the current world.

Never mind the fact that they shipped all the molten and pulverised steel away as soon as possible and shipped it off abroad...

How could they possibly investigate the causes of the WTC coming down properly when one of the main bits of evidence was removed and disposed of??!

 

This is the US government mate. Destroying evidence is but one of their many talents

Guys, I'm only saying that There is no CONCRETE proof of what happened, only  the idea that what happened is likely to be different from the official word ... so what does that make it? a conspiracy? Fair enough, the answers masy never be fully known, for whatever reasons, but until then everything else is simply speculative !!!

The Steel eas melted by the Aliens Death Rays ... or it was an Act of God ... both as unsubstanciated as the demolition theory at the moment. Yes the demolition theory is more plausible than Aliens and God, only coz I don't believe in either, but there is NOT enough evidence YET to say it was demolished professionally.... !

 

I can't explain WHY the building came DOWN, I'm no engineer or scientist dammit .... but I do know the job involved in bringing any of the WTC buildings, let alone all of them, would have been Seen abd Heard by hundreds of staff, who may or may not have given a damn before, but sure as hell would have put two and two together afgterwards and there would be more reports and eveidence as such. I want more eveidence guys .... and I'm sorry if that's not good enough for you!

To be perfectly honest, I'd actually like the conspiracy to be proved, it would be fantastic viewing on TV don't you think ... even better than the original attack !!!!!

and if the officials in power are doing their best to bury away any clues about what we can agree happened differently than the official story then does it not follow that they maybe have something to hide. What would motivate them to not release this information? At very least, they do a terrible injustice to the scientific and engineering community who seem to be, quite unilaterally, puzzled about what mechanism brought down the towers in the context of the official explanation. It may be critically important to analyze the data in case we need to start re-thinking, for safety reasons, how we think fire and buildings mix. Why would they deny the public the ability to learn from this disaster in order to prevent another in the future? Is it really so hard to believe that maybe there are some skeletons in the closet that they don't want getting out?

Here's a link to a letter written from Kevin R. Ryan, site manager of the Environmental Health Laboratories - a division of the underwriters laboratories who certified the steel components used in the WTC - to Dr Frank Gayle,
Deputy Chief of the Metallurgy Division at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, who headed the NIST report (one of the three official stories) on the WTC collapse. He says :

"... the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel."

"There continues to be a number of "experts" making public claims about how the WTC buildings fell. One such person, Dr. Hyman Brown from the WTC construction crew, claims that the buildings collapsed due to fires at 2000F melting the steel. ... We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all."

"This story just does not add up"

http://rense.com/general59/ul.htm

 

But why isnt the official word speculative. What makes their theory so concrete ?

why you slimy little, communist shit, twinkle-toed cocksucker... you're in it with the ragheads aren't you, goddamnit!!?

It's just a lot more believeable, well maybe to some, than the conspiracy theory .... I ain't saying it's the truth,  but unless you got a physics or engineering PHD, who are you to argue with the idea that the steel melted from the jet fuel?

The the whole Size of the operation too ... just too big to pull off, too many strings attached, too many loose ends to keep quiet ... the Intelligence services are always cocking things up and yet somehow  they can pull this off with barely a word .... ?

 

Dot, you've done it now ... you got the Canuck Mad

Sun Tzu wrote in The Art of War :

Feign incapability when in fact capable;
Feign inactivity when ready to strike;
Appear to be far away when actually nearby.

This is fundamental conflict strategy dating back millenia. I think the phrase "oldest trick in the book" might well be appropriate. The reason it's still around is because it works. Reading children's stories in faraway suburbia...sounds like feigning inactivity to me.

So all the time when they were cocking up they just were just pretending for 9/11 ?

I'll let you do your own thinking as far as that's concerned, how's that. Again, I have no proof of what the government is and isn't capable of. I find it harder to believe that the US government is SO completely incompetent that four hijacked airplanes crossed a sizable fraction of the country without ever being detected on radar. I find it harder to believe that they are so grossly incompetent that, in three reports spanning years of research, they neglected to discover the melting point of structural steel. I find it harder to believe that the rat's nest of video equipment at the pentagon recorded nothing of the incident... and so on and so on. If the only conclusion you can come to is either stupendous and stubborn incompetence or lies, which would you put your money on? Being that we're talking about THE most financially successful nation on the planet, i might be tending to think the latter.

Fancy flying a 757 jumbo jet in restricted airspace for over an hour undetected ? No problem, just go to the US

i wonder why drug barons have such a hard time.  They could just fly jumbo jets full of the stuff into the country and, by the looks of things, probably land at a major international airport without question...at least without question for long enough to get everything unloaded and be on their way

And when the plane lands it mysteriously sets on fire, melts and then the CIA sell the scrap metal to the Russians before any examination takes place

But the CIA would never smuggle drugs... oh, no.  They just didn't know that they were meant to look for clues first

 

Or set up secret prisons to torture suspects

Or assassinate JFK

Just thought I'd pop in as I found this page...

http://www.geocities.com/theawakeningnews/911-UFOs.html

...which appears to show a military fighter in the immediate aftermath off the second WTC impact...

 

No offence dude, but that looks completely and utterly faked or rubbish. In The first move, the object is simply too big and moving WAY to fast to be a jet .. and if it's a missle it would be as big as the space shuttle and would have left a trail of some sort.

The second one looks like a jet at first, but the way it moves off to the side, it's speed on the camera is constant, rather than slowing down as it moves off the side, which makes it look more like a frisby than an actaul jet ...  that said it would have to be travelling at a tremendous speed to be real, and also accellerating to achieve what it's doing on the camera !!! ...

In Both movies, the object would be emitting a LARGE sonic boom, and at that altitude would smash every single window in the city ... !

 

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Dot and Zero, you guys talk a load of BS, and pat yourselves on the back for sounding like you have all the answers ... And alas .... there's not one shred of eveidence to seperate your (oh god no, I'm gonna say "Moore") Michael Moore style Anti-American Governemt theories from a rather sinister act of God !!!!

 

Did you ever stop to consider that perhaps it was designed this way as it was Gods Will ? Un-Intelligent Design

it does look a bit dodgy

What PROOF do the US government have of what they said happened. Why take their account as PROOF ?