Grady G...

In Vino Veritas
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I
think my production and writing has come along way in the past few
years particularly if you compare my xmas hamper mix to the eternal
energy mix. Production quality means alot to me, and is something im
always striving to improve, but its a gradual evolving thing that comes
with experience, so im not real fussed that its not the most perfect
clinically produced stuff out there, i have all the confidence in the
world that eventually it will get there....

I absolutely agree.

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Im always open to constructive feedback aswell, but 'close but not quite there' doesnt really cut it, i need some exacting, specific technical feedback that i can take home with me to work on if you know what i mean.

The point wasn't to tell you guys how I want you to produce your music. It's inevitable that people will have an opinion about music released in our scene (especially since they decide on which to buy) and there should be absolutely nothing wrong with them rasing their opinions. Producers should take offense when they get bombarded with insults and the like, but not in a thread like this.

As you said, production quality means a lot to you and as you can read from the thread, a lot ... in fact, the majority are satisfied with it. I'm almost ... and there's shouldn't be a problem with me saying so in public, at all. Whether you adress it or not is up to you. It is not said here as if it's some requirement or ultimatum. Again I'll point out that I clearly said I respect what you guys do and how you do it. If I'm not into, I wouldn't buy it ... but at no point am I not allowed to say what I think of it. I am allowed to wish though and I believe that's exactly how I put it.

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Bit lame ain't it

http://www.bangingtunes.com/img/forum/smilies/laughing.gif" alt="laughing" title="laughing" alt="laughing" title="laughing" alt="laughing" title="laughing"> Personally I think you need to work on the 800-846Hz range of your tunes, they lack that bit of sparkle I always look for

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Hold on ... I didn't exactly bitch. You however, regularly bitch about
music coming from within this scene. Where does that put you on the
lame scale then ? C'mon Jon ...

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Eh? I was saying that Rudi's uber vague criticism was lame, why are you pissed off? I bitch all the time, but I'd hope that it's slightly more descriptive than 'It's not quite there'.

2 years ago

Barry Scott
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3556 Posts

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I just wish everyone would just shut the fuck up thumbsup

^^ eyesup Its a message board.

I downloaded Grady's mix a whilr ago, I was really impressed with the first track 'Maggots'. Exactly how pure grotty hard music should be in my eyes. One of the best harder trscks Ive heard in a long time sound qualitywise

However its all the same, not just Grady's but all hardhouse. If you listen to it at home you're waiting each set of 16 bars for the snare roll, the little sampled drum fill before it kicks back in with the acid line, hoover/saw riff hinting at the main lead, etc etc etc EVERY TUNE!!! Yes everyone will jump up and defend it but why? Even if you love the genre you have to admit the awful lack of creativity that's staring you in the face! Does that one track you;re playing in a loop not get boring to you?

I havent come anywhere near the point but Im pissed and no-one ever seems to point this out! My main gripe is really that tunes aren't 'tunes' any more, theres no vocal combined with hook to give that special feeling of a great record. Its just template-insertsnarerollhere bullshit.

2 years ago

In Vino Veritas
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21681 Posts

In reply to

I just wish everyone would just shut the fuck up thumbsup

^^ eyesup Its a message board.

I downloaded Grady's mix a whilr ago, I was really impressed with the first track 'Maggots'. Exactly how pure grotty hard music should be in my eyes. One of the best harder trscks Ive heard in a long time sound qualitywise

However its all the same, not just Grady's but all hardhouse. If you listen to it at home you're waiting each set of 16 bars for the snare roll, the little sampled drum fill before it kicks back in with the acid line, hoover/saw riff hinting at the main lead, etc etc etc EVERY TUNE!!! Yes everyone will jump up and defend it but why? Even if you love the genre you have to admit the awful lack of creativity that's staring you in the face! Does that one track you;re playing in a loop not get boring to you?

I havent come anywhere near the point but Im pissed and no-one ever seems to point this out! My main gripe is really that tunes aren't 'tunes' any more, theres no vocal combined with hook to give that special feeling of a great record. Its just template-insertsnarerollhere bullshit.

2 years ago

Alex Penn

11626 Posts

In reply to

I just wish everyone would just shut the fuck up thumbsup

^^ eyesup Its a message board.

I downloaded Grady's mix a whilr ago, I was really impressed with the first track 'Maggots'. Exactly how pure grotty hard music should be in my eyes. One of the best harder trscks Ive heard in a long time sound qualitywise

However its all the same, not just Grady's but all hardhouse. If you listen to it at home you're waiting each set of 16 bars for the snare roll, the little sampled drum fill before it kicks back in with the acid line, hoover/saw riff hinting at the main lead, etc etc etc EVERY TUNE!!! Yes everyone will jump up and defend it but why? Even if you love the genre you have to admit the awful lack of creativity that's staring you in the face! Does that one track you;re playing in a loop not get boring to you?

I havent come anywhere near the point but Im pissed and no-one ever seems to point this out! My main gripe is really that tunes aren't 'tunes' any more, theres no vocal combined with hook to give that special feeling of a great record. Its just template-insertsnarerollhere bullshit.

i had the same feelings mate and i decided instead of talking about it to try put it into practice thumbsup

much more constructive i believe smile

2 years ago

Rodi Style
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832 Posts

Manchester

Hard & Filthy

I love lamp

2 years ago

19853 Posts

Love the harder NRG just like I like the funkier side of Hard House. Sometimes in the mood for one more than the other, and visa versa. Always have Grady G & Narc tunes in my box when out and always go down well. thumbsup

2 years ago

Trance, Techno, Hard House, House

Steve Kingston
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1292 Posts

Leeds

In reply to

I just wish everyone would just shut the fuck up thumbsup

^^ eyesup Its a message board.

I downloaded Grady's mix a whilr ago, I was really impressed with the first track 'Maggots'. Exactly how pure grotty hard music should be in my eyes. One of the best harder trscks Ive heard in a long time sound qualitywise

However its all the same, not just Grady's but all hardhouse. If you listen to it at home you're waiting each set of 16 bars for the snare roll, the little sampled drum fill before it kicks back in with the acid line, hoover/saw riff hinting at the main lead, etc etc etc EVERY TUNE!!! Yes everyone will jump up and defend it but why? Even if you love the genre you have to admit the awful lack of creativity that's staring you in the face! Does that one track you;re playing in a loop not get boring to you?

I havent come anywhere near the point but Im pissed and no-one ever seems to point this out! My main gripe is really that tunes aren't 'tunes' any more, theres no vocal combined with hook to give that special feeling of a great record. Its just template-insertsnarerollhere bullshit.

i had the same feelings mate and i decided instead of talking about it to try put it into practice thumbsup

much more constructive i believe smile

defo mate

2 years ago

Trance, Techno, Hard House, House

Steve Kingston
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1292 Posts

Leeds

all i can say is that i really don't like the whole NRG thing, i'll just stick to my hard house and tech trance.

Fair play to those who like, but i just cant get into it, too busy and production could be better.

Post edited by owner 04/03/2007 10:28:59

2 years ago

4527 Posts

Unintelligent Repetitive Bullshit

have we finished going round in circles yet? uhoh

2 years ago

Equinox

12871 Posts

Quote "However its all the same, not just Grady's but all hardhouse. If you listen to it at home you're waiting each set of 16 bars for the snare roll, the little sampled drum fill before it kicks back in with the acid line, hoover/saw riff hinting at the main lead, etc etc etc EVERY TUNE!!! Yes everyone will jump up and defend it but why? Even if you love the genre you have to admit the awful lack of creativity that's staring you in the face! Does that one track you;re playing in a loop not get boring to you?

I havent come anywhere near the point but Im pissed and no-one ever seems to point this out! My main gripe is really that tunes aren't 'tunes' any more, theres no vocal combined with hook to give that special feeling of a great record. Its just template-insertsnarerollhere bullshit. "

Dance music Joe, you're going to find every genre has it's formulas, nothing is exempt. It's easy to stereotype, D&B is a Reese and a Tramen. Not that simple but, you get the idea if you want to cut it down to the basics. Listened to enough of it over the years to hear it's riddled with looped patterns/cliches just as much the latest Electro House same bassline nonsense.

There's such a thing as having too much of something and this is where listening to a broad spectrum of music comes in. Listen to one thing and nothing else you'll be ready to smack your head against a wall in no time.

2 years ago

Z

15372 Posts

In reply to

I just wish everyone would just shut the fuck up thumbsup

^^ eyesup Its a message board.

I downloaded Grady's mix a whilr ago, I was really impressed with the first track 'Maggots'. Exactly how pure grotty hard music should be in my eyes. One of the best harder trscks Ive heard in a long time sound qualitywise

However its all the same, not just Grady's but all hardhouse. If you listen to it at home you're waiting each set of 16 bars for the snare roll, the little sampled drum fill before it kicks back in with the acid line, hoover/saw riff hinting at the main lead, etc etc etc EVERY TUNE!!! Yes everyone will jump up and defend it but why? Even if you love the genre you have to admit the awful lack of creativity that's staring you in the face! Does that one track you;re playing in a loop not get boring to you?

I havent come anywhere near the point but Im pissed and no-one ever seems to point this out! My main gripe is really that tunes aren't 'tunes' any more, theres no vocal combined with hook to give that special feeling of a great record. Its just template-insertsnarerollhere bullshit.

You nailed it there. This is the very reason why I moved onto different style, it just took me some time to realize it. munted

NRG

2 years ago

4455 Posts

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I love lamp

hahaha the anchor man, belter film thumbsup

2 years ago

Z

15372 Posts

In reply to

Quote "However its all the same, not just Grady's but all hardhouse. If you listen to it at home you're waiting each set of 16 bars for the snare roll, the little sampled drum fill before it kicks back in with the acid line, hoover/saw riff hinting at the main lead, etc etc etc EVERY TUNE!!! Yes everyone will jump up and defend it but why? Even if you love the genre you have to admit the awful lack of creativity that's staring you in the face! Does that one track you;re playing in a loop not get boring to you?

I havent come anywhere near the point but Im pissed and no-one ever seems to point this out! My main gripe is really that tunes aren't 'tunes' any more, theres no vocal combined with hook to give that special feeling of a great record. Its just template-insertsnarerollhere bullshit. "

Dance music Joe, you're going to find every genre has it's formulas, nothing is exempt. It's easy to stereotype, D&B is a Reese and a Tramen. Not that simple but, you get the idea if you want to cut it down to the basics. Listened to enough of it over the years to hear it's riddled with looped patterns/cliches just as much the latest Electro House same bassline nonsense.

There's such a thing as having too much of something and this is where listening to a broad spectrum of music comes in. Listen to one thing and nothing else you'll be ready to smack your head against a wall in no time.

I wouldnt complety agree with that.

2 years ago

2942 Posts

to me grady is the one of the top3 kings of all things hard in this genre.thats a great mantle to have,we dont need all these hardnrg essays explaining wots right and wrong about his music.he knows how and wot he wants to do and will keep on regardless.NO PAIN NO GAIN evil

2 years ago

S.P.G MEON
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9402 Posts

ONKETTEKNO

In reply to

I just wish everyone would just shut the fuck up thumbsup

^^ eyesup Its a message board.

I downloaded Grady's mix a whilr ago, I was really impressed with the first track 'Maggots'. Exactly how pure grotty hard music should be in my eyes. One of the best harder trscks Ive heard in a long time sound qualitywise

However its all the same, not just Grady's but all hardhouse. If you listen to it at home you're waiting each set of 16 bars for the snare roll, the little sampled drum fill before it kicks back in with the acid line, hoover/saw riff hinting at the main lead, etc etc etc EVERY TUNE!!! Yes everyone will jump up and defend it but why? Even if you love the genre you have to admit the awful lack of creativity that's staring you in the face! Does that one track you;re playing in a loop not get boring to you?

I havent come anywhere near the point but Im pissed and no-one ever seems to point this out! My main gripe is really that tunes aren't 'tunes' any more, theres no vocal combined with hook to give that special feeling of a great record. Its just template-insertsnarerollhere bullshit.

You nailed it there. This is the very reason why I moved onto different style, it just took me some time to realize it. munted

NRG

Lol, cos prog is so different and interesting then.

yawn

<------- YAWN!

2 years ago

Barry Scott
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3556 Posts

Yes Jay, I do agree that all genres have their templates, like psy with the little pauses/breaks, or the electro house fad of caning the triplet notes. But its what creativity gets added around those clichés and how the boundaries are broken that separates the good stuff from the template crap. But from what I hear in HH no-one is trying to add their own stamp or break the mould. The great HH producers who have seem to have almost totally moved to another genre to express their creative freedom.

I'll take your remix of Streamline as an example (as its one of my favourite tracks I own on vinyl). All the melodies sound fresh, nothig gets dragged out as there's always something interesting coming in. The break is uber short and upps the energy even more once it kicks back in. No vocal out of Saw/Matrix/insertfilmhere, no 20,000 cymbals constantly doubling. An the result, a unique track that's still getting played today (I hope anyway).

It can be done, you are an example of it, but no-one seems to want to make 'proper' tunes like this. And Alex, yes trying to do something about it is more productive than talking about it, I just feel that no-one ever mentions this huge problem. It is fucking hard to make original HH but Im trying, not doing amazingly well but Id rather that than have 4 of the same templates out a month.

Rant over violent

2 years ago

Barry Scott
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3556 Posts

And Im not referring specifically to Grady, this is about all HH

2 years ago

Barry Scott
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3556 Posts

In reply to

I just wish everyone would just shut the fuck up thumbsup

^^ eyesup Its a message board.

I downloaded Grady's mix a whilr ago, I was really impressed with the first track 'Maggots'. Exactly how pure grotty hard music should be in my eyes. One of the best harder trscks Ive heard in a long time sound qualitywise

However its all the same, not just Grady's but all hardhouse. If you listen to it at home you're waiting each set of 16 bars for the snare roll, the little sampled drum fill before it kicks back in with the acid line, hoover/saw riff hinting at the main lead, etc etc etc EVERY TUNE!!! Yes everyone will jump up and defend it but why? Even if you love the genre you have to admit the awful lack of creativity that's staring you in the face! Does that one track you;re playing in a loop not get boring to you?

I havent come anywhere near the point but Im pissed and no-one ever seems to point this out! My main gripe is really that tunes aren't 'tunes' any more, theres no vocal combined with hook to give that special feeling of a great record. Its just template-insertsnarerollhere bullshit.

You nailed it there. This is the very reason why I moved onto different style, it just took me some time to realize it. munted

NRG

Lol, cos prog is so different and interesting then.

yawn

<------- YAWN!

You say that, but Im sure theres a hell of a lot more creative ideas in it dunce

2 years ago

Adam_k (AK45)
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2980 Posts

Midlands

DIRT!!!!

to be fair I dont listen to music because its creative or different. I just purely listen to what i like listening too.... I think people get too hung up on the idea that everything has to be cutting edge that they dont realise joe public on the dance floor doesn't really give a shit. He just wants to dance to a track that sounds good wink

2 years ago

Z

15372 Posts

Music that makes ur hair stand on end

In reply to

I just wish everyone would just shut the fuck up thumbsup

^^ eyesup Its a message board.

I downloaded Grady's mix a whilr ago, I was really impressed with the first track 'Maggots'. Exactly how pure grotty hard music should be in my eyes. One of the best harder trscks Ive heard in a long time sound qualitywise

However its all the same, not just Grady's but all hardhouse. If you listen to it at home you're waiting each set of 16 bars for the snare roll, the little sampled drum fill before it kicks back in with the acid line, hoover/saw riff hinting at the main lead, etc etc etc EVERY TUNE!!! Yes everyone will jump up and defend it but why? Even if you love the genre you have to admit the awful lack of creativity that's staring you in the face! Does that one track you;re playing in a loop not get boring to you?

I havent come anywhere near the point but Im pissed and no-one ever seems to point this out! My main gripe is really that tunes aren't 'tunes' any more, theres no vocal combined with hook to give that special feeling of a great record. Its just template-insertsnarerollhere bullshit.

You nailed it there. This is the very reason why I moved onto different style, it just took me some time to realize it. munted

NRG

Lol, cos prog is so different and interesting then.

yawn

<------- YAWN!

well im sure nrg fan would know something about progressive. yawn

anyway I dont wanna turn this into genre debate. thumbsup

2 years ago

1611 Posts

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to be fair I dont listen to music because its creative or different. I just purely listen to what i like listening too.... I think people get too hung up on the idea that everything has to be cutting edge that they dont realise joe public on the dance floor doesn't really give a shit. He just wants to dance to a track that sounds good wink

understand what u mean pal but joe public doesnt got to VC/Insekt/Wekender etc etc, i like what i like but it just so happens i like it to be of extremely high quality .....dom maddox karim tinrib dynamic intervention janes king all these imo have a good understandin of how to build a good dance track.

2 years ago

Z

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