General Mixing And Mastering.

 
Adam NRG™
adamnrg Pic10275 Posts
East TimorEssex
Music Style Hard Filth
5/13/2008 11:55 PM
Has anyone got some decent tips for this thats not gona take me hours to read and understand? Its REALLY starting to piss me off. Got a decent tune finished n i cant make it sound any netter for shit. I know theres no quick fire "make this sound sound better" plugin, but this has to be my biggest downfall, and when u sit there for hours on end trying to make it better n then u listen back n it sounds the same or worse then before u started it gets really fucking frustrating angry
Tom M
disekt Pic2321 Posts
New Zealandsomewhere that you int...
Music Style techno
5/13/2008 11:56 PM
In reply to
Has anyone got some decent tips for this thats not gona take me hours to read and understand?
why are you so lazy?

people spend years developing thier skills...

you wanna do it in an hour.

why not, make a coffee, sit back, and do a few hours reading?

alternatively, try track down the plugin "SuperMix 3"... it basically has a button which you push and it does your mix downs for you...

its made by the same people that make the "Insta-Top40" VST.

Post edited by owner 13/05/2008 23:57:47
Adam NRG™
adamnrg Pic10275 Posts
East TimorEssex
Music Style Hard Filth
5/13/2008 11:58 PM
In reply to
In reply to
Has anyone got some decent tips for this thats not gona take me hours to read and understand?
why are you so lazy?

people spend years developing thier skills...

you wanna do it in an hour.

why not, make a coffee, sit back, and do a few hours reading?

alternatively, try track down the plugin "SuperMix 3"... it basically has a button which you push and it does your mix downs for you...

its made by the same people that make the "Insta-Top40" VST.

Because ive just spent a weak and a half writing a song and mixing and mastering really grates on me.
Tom M
disekt Pic2321 Posts
New Zealandsomewhere that you int...
Music Style techno
5/14/2008 12:09 AM
my Audio/Sound Tech lecturer at uni once said to me that mixing/mastering was the black art of production, but its also the most important.

Sure you spent a week and a half writing a tune, but the hardest/most important part is now, so surely you would want to spend longer/be more precise than u did with the actual tune?

why not, leave the tune for a few weeks, and come back and mix it later...

give urself fresh perspective.
Adam NRG™
adamnrg Pic10275 Posts
East TimorEssex
Music Style Hard Filth
5/14/2008 12:17 AM
In reply to
my Audio/Sound Tech lecturer at uni once said to me that mixing/mastering was the black art of production, but its also the most important.

Sure you spent a week and a half writing a tune, but the hardest/most important part is now, so surely you would want to spend longer/be more precise than u did with the actual tune?

why not, leave the tune for a few weeks, and come back and mix it later...

give urself fresh perspective.


Yea tis probably a better idea. Listened to it so much over the last week or so. But yea totally agree, tis a black art. Can make or break a song. That and i just get too frustrated if i cant do it laughing
Gopal
Gopal Pic1289 Posts
New ZealandAuckland
Music Style Solid Core
5/14/2008 12:22 AM

Get a book by Stav called "Mixing with your Mind"

Read it at least 3 times and practise practise practise.

Also a book by Bob Katz called "Mastering, the art and the science"


Post edited by owner 14/05/2008 12:28:23 a.m.
Tom M
disekt Pic2321 Posts
New Zealandsomewhere that you int...
Music Style techno
5/14/2008 12:25 AM
have you tried getting someone else to do it?

do u use any other reference systems apart from the speakers your write on?
Adam NRG™
adamnrg Pic10275 Posts
East TimorEssex
Music Style Hard Filth
5/14/2008 12:29 AM
In reply to
have you tried getting someone else to do it?

do u use any other reference systems apart from the speakers your write on?


I dotn have speakers mate. Only use my pioneer hdj1000s which probably doesnt help. (I got monitors but my nan wont let me use em)
Tom M
disekt Pic2321 Posts
New Zealandsomewhere that you int...
Music Style techno
5/14/2008 12:36 AM
In reply to
In reply to
have you tried getting someone else to do it?

do u use any other reference systems apart from the speakers your write on?


I dotn have speakers mate. Only use my pioneer hdj1000s which probably doesnt help. (I got monitors but my nan wont let me use em)
BRO!

hahahaha!

no wonder youre struggling with your mixdowns!

seriously.

tell your nan to fuck off.

(or move out)

do you have a car with a decent stereo? a mate who can have it music turned up?

burn it too cd at a mix of what you think may be ok, go somewhere else, have a listen, write down whats wrong/outta place and go from there.

Post edited by owner 14/05/2008 00:37:14
OPEUM
djepik Pic493 Posts
London
Music Style Hardhouse / Hardtrance / Harddance
5/14/2008 12:40 AM

There are so many different factors that come into getting a good mixdown thats its impossible to tell you to do one thing and all your problems will be gone, one problem you will encounter striaght away is that every song is different and as such you will have to apply techniques learned in different ways for the task in hand...

Make sure you gain a good understanding of effects, especially EQ'ing and compression which are key to getting a tight clean mix...

Mastering is a completely different kettle of fish to mixing down, unless you know what you are doing with mastering and the processes involved (plus having a dedicated room with a few sets of loudspeakers, compressors and EQ's amongst other things) then you should leave it alone as you will probably end up making it sound worse rather than better, dont confuse loud with good...  

Use good monitors that arent tiring to listen to for prolonged periods...

Read, practice, work with engineers who you respect the work of and watch how they do things...

Dont over work !!! The second you are happy with something leave it and dont touch it again, the more you listen to it the more you will get used to it and end up changing it from something that you essentially liked but just got bored of...

Analyzers are quite good sometimes for spotting problem frequencies but first and foremost you should use your ears, they are the best tool you have...

Hope some of that helps mate...thumbsup

Filo
filo Pic2972 Posts
England
5/14/2008 12:43 AM
In reply to
Has anyone got some decent tips for this thats not gona take me hours to read and understand? Its REALLY starting to piss me off. Got a decent tune finished n i cant make it sound any netter for shit. I know theres no quick fire "make this sound sound better" plugin, but this has to be my biggest downfall, and when u sit there for hours on end trying to make it better n then u listen back n it sounds the same or worse then before u started it gets really fucking frustrating angry

What aspect of how your mix sounds are you not happy with?

Adam NRG™
adamnrg Pic10275 Posts
East TimorEssex
Music Style Hard Filth
5/14/2008 2:17 AM
In reply to
In reply to
Has anyone got some decent tips for this thats not gona take me hours to read and understand? Its REALLY starting to piss me off. Got a decent tune finished n i cant make it sound any netter for shit. I know theres no quick fire "make this sound sound better" plugin, but this has to be my biggest downfall, and when u sit there for hours on end trying to make it better n then u listen back n it sounds the same or worse then before u started it gets really fucking frustrating angry

What aspect of how your mix sounds are you not happy with?



Alot of it tbh. It sounds way to cluttered and muddy (even though ive eq'd the bass out of everything that doesn't need bass frequencies) Its just a massive fail point for me. Dont know where to pan what where, or what effects to ad really, ive eq'd everything as best as i can but thats about as much as i know. You can hear the track on www.myspace.com/adamnrg. Called Party Pumper. Just think it cud sound shit loads better  =\
Mr Miyagi
mrmiyagi Pic3092 Posts
USAChicago
Music Style music music music
5/14/2008 2:31 AM
Sounds ok to me. You should go back over it with a fine tooth comb.

If you don't use a spectral analyzer, get one. The Voxengo SPAN is free. Go over every channel in your mix and get the EQ's and envelopes tight as fuck. Only keep what's important for each sound/channel. Take the higher perc elements and pan each channel ever so slightly to one side or the other.

Try using PSP Vintage warmer on some elements. Other than that, don't know what to tell you.


DR TRE
tre Pic107 Posts
New ZealandAUCKLAND
Music Style Te Filth
5/14/2008 6:12 AM

^^^ some real good advice! thumbsup

Like tom said - give your ears a break from the track for a few days and then go back to it with fresh ears.

You'll then notice the finer details that need work, rather than getting frustrated with the whole thing and not knowing where to start...

Go through the tune track by track (solo-ing perc together, bass and kick, leads together etc) find whats clashing in certain frequency ranges and either adjust EQ or adjust levels to suit.

Try not to have to many sounds in the same frequency range (especially low-mids and lows) coz it will start to sound muddy with too many layers. Also as mentioned, try panning some of your perc sounds and loops to give the track some breathing space.

Once your mixdown sounds right, try a multiband compressor / limiter on master channel - (PSP vintage warmer, Waves L1, L2, L3 ultramaximizer etc etc) play round with as many as you can, but dont over-do it like i always tend to do haha!

It just takes time dude, and you gotta be patient and constantly play around / learn. 

God knows i have pulled my fucking hair with some tracks and thrown my toys a few times laughing

(i havent listened to your track yet so dunno whats going on but will do..) thumbsup

 

 

 

DR TRE
tre Pic107 Posts
New ZealandAUCKLAND
Music Style Te Filth
5/14/2008 6:16 AM

oh yeah - and get some monitors bro!!!

No way can you right tunes on headphones, unless you really know your shit!!

Gopal
Gopal Pic1289 Posts
New ZealandAuckland
Music Style Solid Core
5/14/2008 6:20 AM

Great advise in this thread.

 

Also, be aware of your own bias.  I don't think your own track is ever gonna sound as good as other people's tracks TO YOU. 

I've done tracks I thought were poorly engineered and had feedback from people asking how I got it to sound so clear.  ???

I think alot of us are perfectionists when it comes to our own stuff and actually have a negative bias towards our own work.

Tom M
disekt Pic2321 Posts
New Zealandsomewhere that you int...
Music Style techno
5/14/2008 7:28 AM
In reply to

Great advise in this thread.

 

Also, be aware of your own bias.  I don't think your own track is ever gonna sound as good as other people's tracks TO YOU. 

I've done tracks I thought were poorly engineered and had feedback from people asking how I got it to sound so clear.  ???

I think alot of us are perfectionists when it comes to our own stuff and actually have a negative bias towards our own work.

thats a very good point...

a comment i read on another production forum is that the biggest problem to producers like us is second guessing ourselves.

nothing productive ever comes from second guessing yourself.

try not to think about it all too much, cos you just end up a blithering puddle of rage and frustration.


Daz
daz1 Pic23622 Posts
EnglandTop Left
Music Style Propercore
5/14/2008 8:27 AM
There's plenty of vids on mastering around, try Youtube or even better try Google vid's and search for the Ian Carey Mastering vid, all his vids are really good. I would think Sound On Sound have a load of articles online on mastering.

Ive never mastered a tune or done a mix down, come to think of it i havnt finished a tune in over a year, im more fussed about getting all the sounds right as i go along than i am finishing it, by the time i have things sounding ok im sick of it, came close to finishing a few lately, maybe i will before the end of summer.
Dave Owens
daveoweNSV2 Pic305 Posts
United KingdomThe North West
Music Style Camp Disco Ballads
5/14/2008 9:28 AM
Kick up the volume. Play it loud.

Listen on different systems.

Do A/B comparison tests with stuff that you like the sound of.
Am A Teur
mrpickle Pic5674 Posts
United KingdomMancunia
Music Style House, Garage, Bungalow
5/14/2008 9:57 AM

The secret to a good master is a good mixdown  thumbsup

I must practise..  frown

Filo
filo Pic2972 Posts
England
5/14/2008 10:22 AM
In reply to
In reply to
In reply to
Has anyone got some decent tips for this thats not gona take me hours to read and understand? Its REALLY starting to piss me off. Got a decent tune finished n i cant make it sound any netter for shit. I know theres no quick fire "make this sound sound better" plugin, but this has to be my biggest downfall, and when u sit there for hours on end trying to make it better n then u listen back n it sounds the same or worse then before u started it gets really fucking frustrating angry

What aspect of how your mix sounds are you not happy with?



Alot of it tbh. It sounds way to cluttered and muddy (even though ive eq'd the bass out of everything that doesn't need bass frequencies) Its just a massive fail point for me. Dont know where to pan what where, or what effects to ad really, ive eq'd everything as best as i can but thats about as much as i know. You can hear the track on www.myspace.com/adamnrg. Called Party Pumper. Just think it cud sound shit loads better  =\

I'm not saying it especially applies to your track but are you EQing everything else to give it its own space in the mix? The best EQ  tutorial I have ever read is by a D&B producer called hipnotic from the DOA grid.

Here it is. thumbsup

DR TRE
tre Pic107 Posts
New ZealandAUCKLAND
Music Style Te Filth
5/14/2008 10:47 AM

pretty interesting way of looking at it...

like the 'box' analogy though ideathumbsup

Tom M
disekt Pic2321 Posts
New Zealandsomewhere that you int...
Music Style techno
5/14/2008 10:54 AM
yea, that was pretty fucking interesting...

*prints*

reading for work tomorrow.
Dave Owens
daveoweNSV2 Pic305 Posts
United KingdomThe North West
Music Style Camp Disco Ballads
5/14/2008 12:48 PM
Good read. Think you'd find it useful Tommy.
Iain
iains Pic1593 Posts
United KingdomManchester
5/14/2008 1:05 PM
and remember mastering should be done to give a track a final polish, when its ready for mastering you should be completely happy with the track and they way it sounds. if you are not there ids no point mastering it - go back to your mixdown and fix it! you cant polish a turd biggrin
Deadlox
jakeshake Pic1265 Posts
United KingdomBath/Bristol
Music Style Psy/NRG
5/14/2008 1:46 PM

mastering is bollocks, should only take an hour. It's the perfect EQ work you wanna aim for

this is something i've been heavily concentrating on for about 6 months, after having similar problems with EQ and muddy mixes, spending hours trying to 'polish a turd' (the expression is SO true)laughing

The formula i work to now is pretty consistent with all tracks, unless i really have to use a different method. I obviously eq every sound, compress the percussion, kicks, bass and vocals where needed and use limiters/maximisers for the riffs/ riff type sounds. I always used to use compression on riffs but now i find that with the right EQ and a limiter/maximiser i get cleaner results.

Adam, are you looking at a waveform for each sound? you can clearly see which frequencies are clashing this way and EQ accordingly.I've found out recently that voxengo gliss EQ actually shows you the waveform as you eq, and you can overlay 16 other waveforms so you can see exactly how you are shaping your overall mix. Voxengo warmifier is also good to get your sounds nice and tight and crisp.

Run a stereo imager on every channel to see if you have phase problems, correct those otherwise your loosing your music down a black hole!

try to eq out the 800hz region of many sounds except the bass, this helps the bass to stay clear in the mix (still one of the best tips i know!)

try to get your master channel peaking at -5db so you can bump it up at the mastering stage

When you get to the mastering stage..........capture a waveform of your favourite track, something very well produced. Then compare that to your tunes waveform. Aim to get your track the same 'shape' this way you know you've got the right amount of bass, mid and hi's. Then it's just a question of using a 'preset rolleyes' on my mastering plugin and tweaking untill its spot on.

 

thats the longest reply i've ever written king

Michael Smith
djms Pic275 Posts
Northern IrelandBELFAST
Music Style HARD HOUSE, NRG, PURE FILTH!
5/14/2008 2:54 PM

nice information mate, will try this also! thumbsup

D-Clips
dclips Pic586 Posts
United KingdomGrimsby
Music Style trance/ tech/ banging
5/14/2008 3:17 PM
In reply to

mastering is bollocks, should only take an hour. It's the perfect EQ work you wanna aim for

this is something i've been heavily concentrating on for about 6 months, after having similar problems with EQ and muddy mixes, spending hours trying to 'polish a turd' (the expression is SO true)laughing

The formula i work to now is pretty consistent with all tracks, unless i really have to use a different method. I obviously eq every sound, compress the percussion, kicks, bass and vocals where needed and use limiters/maximisers for the riffs/ riff type sounds. I always used to use compression on riffs but now i find that with the right EQ and a limiter/maximiser i get cleaner results.

Adam, are you looking at a waveform for each sound? you can clearly see which frequencies are clashing this way and EQ accordingly.I've found out recently that voxengo gliss EQ actually shows you the waveform as you eq, and you can overlay 16 other waveforms so you can see exactly how you are shaping your overall mix. Voxengo warmifier is also good to get your sounds nice and tight and crisp.

Run a stereo imager on every channel to see if you have phase problems, correct those otherwise your loosing your music down a black hole!

try to eq out the 800hz region of many sounds except the bass, this helps the bass to stay clear in the mix (still one of the best tips i know!)

try to get your master channel peaking at -5db so you can bump it up at the mastering stage

When you get to the mastering stage..........capture a waveform of your favourite track, something very well produced. Then compare that to your tunes waveform. Aim to get your track the same 'shape' this way you know you've got the right amount of bass, mid and hi's. Then it's just a question of using a 'preset rolleyes' on my mastering plugin and tweaking untill its spot on.

 

thats the longest reply i've ever written king


how would you use a stereo imager to correct phase cancellation problems mate? thats a new one to me.

cheers

Tom Parr
digital69 Pic2621 Posts
United KingdomAtomik Reaction
Music Style Hard House
5/14/2008 3:28 PM

what everyone else has said really......

I think its all in the mix down and your EQing work within the track that makes the difference idea

Equinox
jaytranzmit Pic12686 Posts
United Kingdom
5/14/2008 3:57 PM
Mastering isn't always needed, pretty much important for consistency or in the case for vinyl allowing the best/ideal cut.

A good mix you will see a near flatline across the spectrum, at least that's the aim.
Iain
iains Pic1593 Posts
United KingdomManchester
5/14/2008 4:46 PM
with a bump around 100- 300 hz and slowly dipping down at the high end :0)
Simon Parkes
sjp Pic7755 Posts
WalesRural Nowhere
Music Style Anything but
5/14/2008 5:10 PM
As said, there is no quick fix for this.

1st you need decent monitoring equipment + room

Then some knowledge of what 'mastering' is, this has changed somewhat with technology and media.

Post processing isn't adding loads of compressors, exciters and EQ as this is trying to polish a turd, if the final mix ain't right then go back to your mixdown and get that right first!

It has taken me days to get my 'mixdown' right with little post processing...well, to be honest...no post processing apart from converting to MP3 for sending over the net!

All my processing is done at mixdown, one decent multiband compression on the master together with a slight enhancement on certain frequencies if your monitoring isnt perfect, but all in all it should be mastered as mixed down.

I pass my SX3 main master out through my digital mixers AD converter and back through my soundcards SPIDIF back onto a cubase track...then straight to my Net PC to check against known decent commercial mix, then i know its right. Feeback from key people also help. Then stick with it as a mix template...cuz if it works...dont mess with it!
DR TRE
tre Pic107 Posts
New ZealandAUCKLAND
Music Style Te Filth
5/14/2008 8:02 PM
In reply to

mastering is bollocks, should only take an hour. It's the perfect EQ work you wanna aim for

this is something i've been heavily concentrating on for about 6 months, after having similar problems with EQ and muddy mixes, spending hours trying to 'polish a turd' (the expression is SO true)laughing

The formula i work to now is pretty consistent with all tracks, unless i really have to use a different method. I obviously eq every sound, compress the percussion, kicks, bass and vocals where needed and use limiters/maximisers for the riffs/ riff type sounds. I always used to use compression on riffs but now i find that with the right EQ and a limiter/maximiser i get cleaner results.

Adam, are you looking at a waveform for each sound? you can clearly see which frequencies are clashing this way and EQ accordingly.I've found out recently that voxengo gliss EQ actually shows you the waveform as you eq, and you can overlay 16 other waveforms so you can see exactly how you are shaping your overall mix. Voxengo warmifier is also good to get your sounds nice and tight and crisp.

Run a stereo imager on every channel to see if you have phase problems, correct those otherwise your loosing your music down a black hole!

try to eq out the 800hz region of many sounds except the bass, this helps the bass to stay clear in the mix (still one of the best tips i know!)

try to get your master channel peaking at -5db so you can bump it up at the mastering stage

When you get to the mastering stage..........capture a waveform of your favourite track, something very well produced. Then compare that to your tunes waveform. Aim to get your track the same 'shape' this way you know you've got the right amount of bass, mid and hi's. Then it's just a question of using a 'preset rolleyes' on my mastering plugin and tweaking untill its spot on.

 

thats the longest reply i've ever written king

 

fukin good advice there - thumbsup

gonna try the 800Hz thing smile

Mr Miyagi
mrmiyagi Pic3092 Posts
USAChicago
Music Style music music music
5/14/2008 8:45 PM

I've personally never heard of an 800hz cut, but it shouldn't be a hard-n-fast rule for EQing.

If anything, set up a sharp notch BOOST and run it the length of the range. When you find something that absolutely doesn't sit well, CUT that bitch.

 

Simon Parkes
sjp Pic7755 Posts
WalesRural Nowhere
Music Style Anything but
5/15/2008 9:33 AM
In reply to

mastering is bollocks, should only take an hour. It's the perfect EQ work you wanna aim for

this is something i've been heavily concentrating on for about 6 months, after having similar problems with EQ and muddy mixes, spending hours trying to 'polish a turd' (the expression is SO true)laughing

The formula i work to now is pretty consistent with all tracks, unless i really have to use a different method. I obviously eq every sound, compress the percussion, kicks, bass and vocals where needed and use limiters/maximisers for the riffs/ riff type sounds. I always used to use compression on riffs but now i find that with the right EQ and a limiter/maximiser i get cleaner results.

Adam, are you looking at a waveform for each sound? you can clearly see which frequencies are clashing this way and EQ accordingly.I've found out recently that voxengo gliss EQ actually shows you the waveform as you eq, and you can overlay 16 other waveforms so you can see exactly how you are shaping your overall mix. Voxengo warmifier is also good to get your sounds nice and tight and crisp.

Run a stereo imager on every channel to see if you have phase problems, correct those otherwise your loosing your music down a black hole!

try to eq out the 800hz region of many sounds except the bass, this helps the bass to stay clear in the mix (still one of the best tips i know!)

try to get your master channel peaking at -5db so you can bump it up at the mastering stage

When you get to the mastering stage..........capture a waveform of your favourite track, something very well produced. Then compare that to your tunes waveform. Aim to get your track the same 'shape' this way you know you've got the right amount of bass, mid and hi's. Then it's just a question of using a 'preset rolleyes' on my mastering plugin and tweaking untill its spot on.

 

thats the longest reply i've ever written king

Bit ott to me but everyone has there methods to acheive ''their' perfection. and i say ''their'' because one persons perfection might not be anothers which is why this 'skill' is like choosing monitors.

after working with and watchine top enginners...well i should say, experienced, as it more the fact they have been doing it successfully for years for top known artists...so their discography speaks for itself...i noticed that they all do things differently but try to acheive the same, a nice consistant clear punchy mix, obviously dependant on the music style.

Practice makes perfect, and knowledge is power, so learn the tools of the trade then have a play until you get the right sound.

Mastering isnt bollox as it was a single mans job but this as i said was to prepare the mixes for finiky media like Vinyl which needed to be mastered a certain way for optimum sound and signal to noise etc... we dont have that problem but one thing i DID notice is when compressing to MP3 quality drops visually on an audio wav nearly ennough to compress again.

so, Mixdowns is the issue here, master this and you master your mixes...no pun intended lol

you are right however on frequency clashes but over EQ and you could lose the needed harmonics on a particular sound...some clashin is favourable to obtain the 'full' sound.

Kicks - as we are starting to use more samples here a lot of them are 'dirty' with tail ends being noisey... subtle gating and hard compression can sort this...but be careful you dont numb the overall sound too much... 2-3 kick layers should do it...maybe send all to a group channel and globally compress and clean.

Bass - MONO is the key for lower as is for a kick, but some Mid sounding basses can be stereo for effect when putting through delays or fattening through a chorus or phaser...EQ is your friend here too as clashing basses can cause canellation.

As for the rest....crisp top end and noticalble Mid.

and just add your dynamic effects for your final mix to your main outs.


Dave Owens
daveoweNSV2 Pic305 Posts
United KingdomThe North West
Music Style Camp Disco Ballads
5/15/2008 9:34 AM
Si - I wonder if there is any way we can get Kristian to change your post count for a word count. It must be in the billions.
Chris Dunn
dunny Pic1313 Posts
United KingdomSwindon
Music Style Hullabaloo
5/15/2008 11:18 AM
In reply to
Si - I wonder if there is any way we can get Kristian to change your post count for a word count. It must be in the billions.

laughing
Simon Parkes
sjp Pic7755 Posts
WalesRural Nowhere
Music Style Anything but
5/15/2008 11:33 AM
Dave, just cuz ya jealous laughing .... i talk a lot in person too....so, no embarrassing silences at my table in the pub! laughinglaughing
Kev
kev2525 Pic847 Posts
South AfricaLondon
5/15/2008 2:37 PM
I've been watching some of the Future Music tutorials and Steve Angello and Ian Carey make similar sounding music and they both sound great, but they have totally different approaches. Steve puts a multiband, PSP vintage warmer and limiter on the master while he makes the tune. He reckons there's no point making something and then getting to the mastering stage and thinking it sounds shit. He renders the master of Logic and he's basically rolled the mastering stage into the production stage of the tune. Ian masters afterwards with the UAD plugs and he has a different approach which I prefer. He renders the unprocessed tune, lowers volume of the breaks with automation and then masters it according to taste. By lowering the volume of the breaks he keeps the dynamic of those sounds at the mastering stage. Another thing Ian Carey does which I tried and works well is putting a multiband on the tune and set it to only effect the low end up to 500 - 600 Hz. Increase the gain on this by about 6 - 10 dB and then compress again with a ratio of about 4:1 and tweak the threshold to suit. This can actually tighten up the bottom up very nicely even though it goes against the principles of what I thought was right. I guess by taking on board what you read and test out for yourself you can get a method that you like and works well for you.


Tom M
disekt Pic2321 Posts
New Zealandsomewhere that you int...
Music Style techno
5/16/2008 5:34 AM
In reply to
Si - I wonder if there is any way we can get Kristian to change your post count for a word count. It must be in the billions.

lol dave.
Simon Parkes
sjp Pic7755 Posts
WalesRural Nowhere
Music Style Anything but
5/16/2008 9:11 AM
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I've been watching some of the Future Music tutorials and Steve Angello and Ian Carey make similar sounding music and they both sound great, but they have totally different approaches. Steve puts a multiband, PSP vintage warmer and limiter on the master while he makes the tune. He reckons there's no point making something and then getting to the mastering stage and thinking it sounds shit. He renders the master of Logic and he's basically rolled the mastering stage into the production stage of the tune. Ian masters afterwards with the UAD plugs and he has a different approach which I prefer. He renders the unprocessed tune, lowers volume of the breaks with automation and then masters it according to taste. By lowering the volume of the breaks he keeps the dynamic of those sounds at the mastering stage. Another thing Ian Carey does which I tried and works well is putting a multiband on the tune and set it to only effect the low end up to 500 - 600 Hz. Increase the gain on this by about 6 - 10 dB and then compress again with a ratio of about 4:1 and tweak the threshold to suit. This can actually tighten up the bottom up very nicely even though it goes against the principles of what I thought was right. I guess by taking on board what you read and test out for yourself you can get a method that you like and works well for you.


smilethumbsup - said well and with tips too.
Karl Wade
kARLWADE Pic19 Posts
EnglandNorwich
Music Style Hard House/Trance
5/16/2008 11:38 AM
I spend about 3 months on my mixdowns!
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dodja Pic7209 Posts
United KingdomNorwich
Music Style Severely Impacted
5/16/2008 12:21 PM
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I spend about 3 months on my mixdowns!

alright karl, didnt know you were on here!
Kev
kev2525 Pic847 Posts
South AfricaLondon
5/16/2008 12:42 PM
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I spend about 3 months on my mixdowns!

alright karl, didnt know you were on here!
He's not on here often. He's busy with his mixdowns.
Chris Dunn
dunny Pic1313 Posts
United KingdomSwindon
Music Style Hullabaloo
5/16/2008 12:48 PM
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I spend about 3 months on my mixdowns!

alright karl, didnt know you were on here!
He's not on here often. He's busy with his mixdowns.
laughing
Ben Warren
frequency Pic363 Posts
EnglandHarrogate
Music Style Versatile
5/16/2008 3:14 PM
There's some great advice in this thread,thanks guysthumbsup
 
 

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